Possible solution for cash shop?

[FateAudax]

I would support this idea. I really think that all items, content, events, buffs, glamours, whatever should be available without spending money on top of your sub.
If people have the want it need it now syndrome..

So I guess you have the "I am entitled to everything syndrome because I paid for subs". Once again ignorant players not understand that that exactly subscription fees are for. It's for the basic access to the game. It's not a fee to "I want everything made available to me".

[Titor]

Look Mom! I got a Mount! Yippee!, oh hows school? I got C-! YIPPEE!!

Yeah that would suck. Instead it is.
"What are you eating tonight?"
"I unno, spent $25 on this sweet mount though. Ramen I guess. But dude seriously look at my mount."

[lxChrisxl]

as of now it's just vanity items in the cash shop. nothing major. if they were to use a in game currency grind method though it could skew things as now it wouldn't be so hard to believe that they could add more than vanity items as everybody could get them, it's just a matter of how much time or money they are willing to spend. could be a slippery slope. i'd prefer it just stay as it is now. minions, some old outfits and such.

[Titor]

So I guess you have the "I am entitled to everything syndrome because I paid for subs". Once again ignorant players not understand that that exactly subscription fees are for. It's for the basic access to the game. It's not a fee to "I want everything made available to me".

Nah. I would be ok if they gated all content then, and had different sub packs.
You have your "I like to raid" players, who pay for the raid sub.
You have the "I play for glamour" Players, who play for glamour, for the glamour sub.
You have the "I am a collector" players, who play to collect mounts/minions, for the pets sub.
You have the "I like to rp" players, who get free fantasias and name changes sub.
You have the "I like the craft" players, who get the latest crafting tiers with their sub.

Lock everyone and make it exclusive, I am fine with that. But do not tell me that what I play the game for is wrong, optional, or missing the point of the game.

Everyone gets different subs based on what they think is optional.

You do not need that wedding mount/premium ceremony for your coil runs? Fine, do not have it.
Do I need the latest end-game raid here? No. I am not even going to see it.

[kyuven]

I did mention this solution in a post somewhere in other cash shop threads.

Lord of the Rings Online has this system too. You can grind deeds for an in game currency called Turbine Points,
which can be used in cash shop instead of real money.

Every single Perfect World game has it as well, it's probably the only saving grace of those cashmonger games (except CO, NW, and STO...they're pretty cool) and it works.
EQ1+2 also have the option to buy their gold subscription through in-game currency.
The same goes for Wildstar and EVE, which tbh is probably the only reason the former is still P2P instead of F2P.
These systems also do a pretty good job of curbing RMT, though it doesn't erase it.
So I'd like to say I'm "for" it, but it's kind of a kid gloves approach. And I'm not really sure how the Japanese players feel about it. And like it or not, their opinion matters pretty heavily.

[Syrea]

So I guess you have the "I am entitled to everything syndrome because I paid for subs". Once again ignorant players not understand that that exactly subscription fees are for. It's for the basic access to the game. It's not a fee to "I want everything made available to me".

I don't think you understood the point of Raidou's post. If there was just a few people complaining about the cash shop Id be more inclined to agree with you but not only has there been a decent amount of people who's made forum posts regarding the cash shop there's been a lot of people on my server whom I personally know that has quit the game because of this. I believe SE needs to find a middle ground to all of this and Raidou's idea makes sense in that regard.

[FateAudax]

Nah. I would be ok if they gated all content then, and had different sub packs.
You have your "I like to raid" players, who pay for the raid sub.
You have the "I play for glamour" Players, who play for glamour, for the glamour sub.
You have the "I am a collector" players, who play to collect mounts/minions, for the pets sub.
You have the "I like to rp" players, who get free fantasias and name changes sub.
You have the "I like the craft" players, who get the latest crafting tiers with their sub.

Lock everyone and make it exclusive, I am fine with that. But do not tell me that what I play the game for is wrong, optional, or missing the point of the game.

Everyone gets different subs based on what they think is optional.

You do not need that wedding mount/premium ceremony for your coil runs? Fine, do not have it.
Do I need the latest end-game raid here? No. I am not even going to see it.

Oh right, so now we're plucking scenarios from thin air.

I don't think you understood the point of Raidou's post. If there was just a few people complaining about the cash shop Id be more inclined to agree with you but not only has there been a decent amount of people who's made forum posts regarding the cash shop there's been a lot of people on my server whom I personally know that has quit the game because of this. I believe SE needs to find a middle ground to all of this and Raidou's idea makes sense in that regard.

Let's have some numbers and statistics please. You're plucking numbers from thin air too?

[Titor]

Oh right, so now we're plucking scenarios from thin air.

No, I am seriously fine if everyone has something that they do not care about gated to them, and should you feel like poking around in other aspects you can pay for them.
I would much rather pay $5 for a week of coil attempts than pay $5 for a few dyes.

Also what scenario did I pluck from the air? I proposed a system that I would rather see and would be ok with. There were no scenarios there o_o No "what ifs" or "This could happen" or "imagine this", just a system that I would rather see.

[ruskie]

if they were to use a in game currency grind method though it could skew things as now it wouldn't be so hard to believe that they could add more than vanity items as everybody could get them, it's just a matter of how much time or money they are willing to spend. could be a slippery slope.

This is why I'm on the fence on this option(I don't like the cash shop to begin with and won't spend money in there at all). It seems a good compromise but the worry is there that there would be things locked behind that go beyond the vanity. I'd much prefer if the cash shop just went away.

[Bishop81]

I rather they just made cash shop items exclusive to the cash shop only for a limited time - i.e. they will end up obtainable in-game sooner or later.