Artisan Offhand Meld Discussion.

[xPeAcEx]

I am seeing a lot of people say that they melded all craftmanship, which is fine but here is my question. Why? Where did you save that extra step?

You have supra, all artisan set with everything melded to the max. You made your off hand +15 craftmanship and +3cp.

Your choice for your last meld was a +6 craftmanship or a +4 control. Where/in which craft did that 6 extra craftmanship save you a step or saved you cp in some way or form? Shark fin soup saves you a step, does the shark fin + the extra 6 craftmanship save you an additional step to the one you already saved? I am just trying to understand the choice people made in their melds so that i can finish mine as well Personally i am waiting until 2.45 before fully melding my remaining offhands to see if we are getting a new piece of body gear.

Edit because no matter how hard i try.

4* 451:
pbp, ing2, rs, rs
cs at end to finish
meaning we have 366 usable cp (398-32)

4* 518:
pbp, rs, rs
just a standard synth.
meaning we have 358 usable cp (373-15)

As far as i know, at best i can eliminate a step in a 3 star using a shark fin soup to get it to complete in 3 ing2 + RS + RS and finish with CS2 alone compared to 4 steps without the soup. So i go back to the question of what does that 6 craftmanship over the 4 control give as a benefit?

[StouterTaru]

I am seeing a lot of people say that they melded all craftmanship, which is fine but here is my question. Why? Where did you save that extra step?

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4* 451:
pbp, ing2, rs, rs
cs at end to finish
meaning we have 366 usable cp (398-32)

At around 455 craftsmanship you can drop the INGII from that.

[xPeAcEx]

At around 455 craftsmanship you can drop the INGII from that.

No! That's just misinformation. Without the Ingenuity 2, you don't get enough progress to finish it in 4 steps. If you do, provide your stats and progress per step if you think you do please.

[StouterTaru]

No! That's just misinformation. Without the Ingenuity 2, you don't get enough progress to finish it in 4 steps. If you do, provide your stats and progress per step if you think you do please.

4 stars, they are 586 not 451 or 518. And it's not 4 steps, it's 5 steps without INGII vs 5 steps with INGII.

PbP gives 194
RS gives 135 at 461
CSII gives 65 at 461

194+135+135+65+65=594

451 gives 63 and 131 for CSII and RS, 461 gives 65 and 135. Somewhere in the middle is 64 and 133, which will complete your synth. I estimated it at around 455, I have tested at 457 and it was enough, giving 64 and 134.

The only way to finish a 4* in four steps is with PbP and 3xRS, which is a bad idea.

[xPeAcEx]

4 stars, they are 586 not 451 or 518. And it's not 4 steps, it's 5 steps without INGII vs 5 steps with INGII.

PbP gives 194
RS gives 135 at 461
CSII gives 65 at 461

194+135+135+65+65=594

451 gives 63 and 131 for CSII and RS, 461 gives 65 and 135. Somewhere in the middle is 64 and 133, which will complete your synth. I estimated it at around 455, I have tested at 457 and it was enough, giving 64 and 134.

The only way to finish a 4* in four steps is with PbP and 3xRS, which is a bad idea.

Can you stop trolling and get out of my thread already. You are the most annoying lala that does NOT know how to read and gives nothing but bad information. I highly doubt you even have a 4 star crafter at this point.

Learn to READ: 451 and 518 are my craftmanship stat, not the progress required for the craft. I'm not going to bother talking to you or replying to your posts in the future, you have the most nonsense posts i've ever read.

[scarebearz]

Can you stop trolling and get out of my thread already. You are the most annoying lala that does NOT know how to read and gives nothing but bad information. I highly doubt you even have a 4 star crafter at this point.

Learn to READ: 451 and 518 are my craftmanship stat, not the progress required for the craft. I'm not going to bother talking to you or replying to your posts in the future, you have the most nonsense posts i've ever read.

To be fair, from what I've read of StouterTaru's posts, I suspect he/she is a very good crafter.

You'd pop sh2 regardless unless you feel like risking multiple pbp at 90% or relying on multiple MMII's throughout the craft. Anyways this isn't a thread for rotation but about meld choices for offhands so i won't go deeper into rotations, feel free to create a separate thread and we can talk about it there.

The point is you need them both up and using a 2nd buff loses a stack from the previously applied buff.

Should you then fail 3 out of 4 RS(pretty common), you have to spend a lot more CP getting those buffs back up again, leading to few touches etc.

[StouterTaru]

Can you stop trolling and get out of my thread already. You are the most annoying lala that does NOT know how to read and gives nothing but bad information. I highly doubt you even have a 4 star crafter at this point.

Learn to READ: 451 and 518 are my craftmanship stat, not the progress required for the craft. I'm not going to bother talking to you or replying to your posts in the future, you have the most nonsense posts i've ever read.

OK 451 craftsmanship vs 457, the numbers I gave, go ahead and refute them.

451 - PbP > INGII + 2x RS + 2xCSII
457 - PbP > 2xRS + 2xCSII

You seem to be the troll that is always asking advice, parroting what you find on reddit, and giving out bad advice. How many 4 star synths have you actually done?

[scarebearz]

OK 451 craftsmanship vs 457, the numbers I gave, go ahead and refute them.

451 - PbP > INGII + 2x RS + CSII
457 - PbP > 2xRS + CSII

You seem to be the troll that is always asking advice, parroting what you find on reddit, and giving out bad advice. How many 4 star synths have you actually done?

Your Missing a CSII from the 2nd one ^_-

[xPeAcEx]

OK 451 craftsmanship vs 457, the numbers I gave, go ahead and refute them.

451 - PbP > INGII + 2x RS + 2xCSII
457 - PbP > 2xRS + 2xCSII

You seem to be the troll that is always asking advice, parroting what you find on reddit, and giving out bad advice. How many 4 star synths have you actually done?

I barely read reddit except for the one time i was trying to compare and contrast relish rotation. Your rotations are as skilled as your understand and comprehension of the English language.

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All luck

Should you then fail 3 out of 4 RS(pretty common), you have to spend a lot more CP getting those buffs back up again, leading to few touches etc.

If you look at a previous post, i said that myself that i didn't like using a rotation that relied on 4 RS.

[scarebearz]

4* 451:
pbp, ing2, rs, rs
cs at end to finish
meaning we have 366 usable cp (398-32)

4* 518:
pbp, rs, rs
just a standard synth.
meaning we have 358 usable cp (373-15)

I would advise re-thinking these to be honest.

Both are a big CP lose and the first is a big RNG risk, as you need SH2 *and* Ing2 up for the 2 80% progress skills, meaning at best 4 trys without having to refresh those buffs. (i.e. anoher huge CP loss)