Patch 2.45 December 9th

[atomicdeath]

not if it doesn't affect the fight!

if we can live without it in the perspective of the game, and it doesn't make a big impact: its qol. all this will do is speed up time between encounters and pulls during raids, which didn't take too long anyway.

also we don't know if schs will be able to cross-class this. i'm assuming they will, but idk.

stoneskin affects the fight. time saved by doing one spell instead of 4 affects the whole run. A new egi would be QoL too i guess since they dont really do anything drastically different. Atleast your spell saves you some time.

[saber_alter]

stoneskin affects the fight. time saved by doing one spell instead of 4 affects the whole run. A new egi would be QoL too i guess since they dont really do anything drastically different. Atleast your spell saves you some time.

it affects the fight...

and we could already cast it. in battle even.

now we can AOE cast it out of battle. like how we can use shadow flare, flaming arrow, and sacred soil out of battle.

[atomicdeath]

it affects the fight...

exactly, thats why its not QoL.

QoL would be a pocket summoning bell for retainers.

[saber_alter]

exactly, thats why its not QoL.

QoL would be a pocket summoning bell for retainers.

and we could already cast it. in battle even.

read the entire post next time.

[StouterTaru]

exactly, thats why its not QoL.

QoL would be a pocket summoning bell for retainers.

It affects fights the same way that casting stoneskin on each individual person before the pull does, so you could already do it.

And fights are one of two ways:
1 - There isn't enough AoE damage for a pre-buff to matter
2 - There's so much AoE damage that it gains you enough time to put out a little damage early in the fight

Either way, not ground breaking

[Roomba]

It's Quality of Life because all good WHM's ALREADY DO THIS BEFORE ANY FIGHT THAT MATTERS. You already HAVE "Stoneskin 2" if you make a macro that targets all 8 party slots and casts an individual Stoneskin on each. All this changes is the extra 20 seconds spent to cast it on everyone individually. I could say I'm surprised that people are actually being this entitled but I'm not.

[Mischief_Minion]

It's Quality of Life because all good WHM's ALREADY DO THIS BEFORE ANY FIGHT THAT MATTERS. You already HAVE "Stoneskin 2" if you make a macro that targets all 8 party slots and casts an individual Stoneskin on each. All this changes is the extra 20 seconds spent to cast it on everyone individually. I could say I'm surprised that people are actually being this entitled but I'm not.

Not all of us have master the Macro making skill yet though. So its a nice add for those of us who stare at user Macros and go "wtf!?!?! How do I do this stuff!?" or for younger players (because I have no delusions that pre-teens and younger play) who probably don't think of making macros. Honestly I only learned tonight you could do such things with Macros! lol.

[KoutaAtaire]

Buffing the whole party with one cast instead of 4 before every fight doesnt sounds like just QoL. Thats pretty big imo.

That's the definition of quality of life.

There are a set # of abilities/traits currently existing so it's a fair question if they are adding a slot for a new ability before level cap increase.

Please stop.

And No, ROG/NIN have the same # of abilities and traits as the other classes

As previously mentioned, they have more.

A new egi would be QoL too i guess since they dont really do anything drastically different.

Are you implying that SMN egis does not do anything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life

[atomicdeath]

That's the definition of quality of life.

Before every battle is not the definition of QoL

[ExKage]

Before every battle is not the definition of QoL

Yes it is. You can only use it out of battle. You get to stoneskin everyone in your party not have to select 7 people and individually do it. How in the world is it game changing? It's a QoL adjustment pertaining to a very specific instance. out of combat.