Women and Armor!

[Magis]

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Who's forcing you (Han/Jabba in your strange analogy) to wear certain armour in the game? If you don't like how something looks, you can glamour it, that's why it exists. I'd agree with you if the game had no option outside those clothes and you didn't like it, but the game literally allows you to replace your armour with anything else and keep the stats. Leila in your example didn't want to wear that uniform but didn't have a choice, however you do. At the same time you want to remove the ability for other women and men to dress up their characters how they see fit cause reasons?

Also dat raging. I think you setup some strange strawman to burn down right there.

[Teryaani]

That's not true. If you want the best stats available for the current level, you're gonna be forced into wearing certain pieces. In my earlier post, it's the coliseum shawl... People posted alternatives but that didn't actually make them better. The coliseum shawl is always gonna be better than the Harlequin acton. If I want the best stats, I'm forced into the shawl or I'm gimp.

That argument would work better if you truly needed BIS gear for a particular level to be able to level to 50 or run level appropriate dungeons. You don't.

Also, for a healer, the Coliseum Shawl (Int 10/Vit 9/Mind 10/Crit 15/SS 15) vs the Harlequin's Acton (Mind 10/Vit 9/Piety 8) should be fine. For a caster, the Felt robe offers comparable stats (Int 10/vit 9/Mind 10/crit 15). Heck, for a healer it does. The loss of 15 spell speed doesn't leave you "gimp".

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Yeah, and they aren't complaining about it so why bring it up? If they decided that they hated the necklaces and stuff and started to complain about it, then bring up this point.

We are not complaining about it because we believe it's an unreasonable complaint, for BOTH sexes. We don't feel insulted or "reduced" or threatened or whatever, and we don't insult, "reduce" or threaten female chars by stating we like their skimpy outfits.
If you do, it's your problem and you should deal with it.

TL,DR: We like underboobs and we are going to give our life to defend them.

[Felis]

Hmmm Really!!!! I guess i was distracted at the time (damn slutty female Miqo'te)

I think a "The Emperor's new Shirt" for male would be actually a good idea for glamour ^^

[Amused]

That's not true. If you want the best stats available for the current level, you're gonna be forced into wearing certain pieces. In my earlier post, it's the coliseum shawl... People posted alternatives but that didn't actually make them better. The coliseum shawl is always gonna be better than the Harlequin acton. If I want the best stats, I'm forced into the shawl or I'm gimp.

Not even a remotely valid point. You never need "the best stats" and you most certainly never need the best stats for leveling content, at least in this game. You are not "forced" to wear it, you can in fact create a melded high quality item that is comparable to it if you really did care that much about stats. Not to mention you replace the bottom coliseum part literally the very next level when you get your AF at 45. So you're down to one single piece now, and even then it is not necessary, and if you are leveling your second (or more) 50, you can glamour over it.

>I'm forced into the shawl or I'm gimp.
>or I'm gimp.

One piece of gear is the difference between being the best and being gimp? Wow!

I really can't believe that you guys consider the belly window to be such a serious thing. There is barely anything even remotely sexual about it, which leaves the impracticality of it as the only valid argument against it. Since you said that it's not a matter of the practicality, or that it's still tame, how is it objectifying?

I don't disagree with having options, I just disagree with the mentality that this is sexist, objectifying, or wrong in any manner. The design is their artistic vision. Do you also (not just you, everyone on that side of the fence) consider nude classical art to be tasteless, sexist, or objectifying?

>Yeah, and they aren't complaining about it so why bring it up?

Because then it's a double standard.

[seida]

I don't disagree with having options, I just disagree with the mentality that this is sexist, objectifying, or wrong in any manner. The design is their artistic vision. Do you also (not just you, everyone on that side of the fence) consider nude classical art to be tasteless, sexist, or objectifying?

"Artistic vision"

>comparing ffxiv armor designs to classical art.

...think you give the designers desire to show some female skin too much credit.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

"Artistic vision"

>comparing ffxiv armor designs to classical art.

...think you give the designers desire to show some female skin too much credit.

Way to ignore every other point :P

[Ageofwar]

I think a "The Emperor's new Shirt" for male would be actually a good idea for glamour ^^

like i said I got distracted god damn you Nashu Mhakaracca

[seida]

Way to ignore everything else :P

Because at this point, why bother. Amused refuses to acknowledge obvious sexism (if it doesn't bother you, if you don't care, that's one thing, but sticking your head in the sand and saying "lalala, nothing sexist about gear covering skin on guys and exposing skin on girls" is, frankly, ridiculous)

Yes, it's their "artistic vision". That doesn't mean it's immune to criticism or automatically makes it non-sexist.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Because at this point, why bother. Amused refuses to acknowledge obvious sexism (if it doesn't bother you, if you don't care, that's one thing, but sticking your head in the sand and saying "lalala, nothing sexist about gear covering skin on guys and exposing skin on girls" is, frankly, ridiculous)

Yes, it's their "artistic vision". That doesn't mean it's immune to criticism or automatically makes it non-sexist.

Ah I see, no more arrows in your quiver.
It's fine, don't worry. I salute your efforts!