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  1. #41
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    giantslayer's Avatar
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    Colette Pascal
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Mastercrafts are a pain in the butt to get and run for about 1 mil a pop on my server. I think it is dumb that such an essential item can only be obtained by making 10 items to buy artisan glasses, desynthing with GSM, and praying to RNGesus for a mastercraft instead of a piece of garbage. It's almost as dumb as the other essential ingredient, ehcatl sealant, being time gated behind a beast tribe that many high level crafters didn't do because it seemed to be geared towards low level crafters.

    I hope Square does "destroy" the status quo. I enjoy crafting and took everything up to 2-3 star before the patch, but have not gotten into 4-star because the amount of cost and/or grinding to obtain all the mastercraft and ehcatl sealants is too ridiculous. Gearing up for 4-star WVR and LTW would cost about 16 mil in mastercraft and sealants alone. All that so I can spend 1-3 mil a pop on mats to make i110 equipment when I could be grinding poetics for 120?
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  2. #42
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    Shadygrove's Avatar
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    Alya Mizar
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    Marauder Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Darra View Post
    I hate the RNG crapfest they've created that surrounds crafting....
    You never crafted in FFXI did you?
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  3. #43
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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Nothing is stopping you from leveling GSM desynth yourself.
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  4. #44
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    Sibyll Belmont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellatrix View Post
    Nothing is stopping you from leveling GSM desynth yourself.
    This isn't the point. The point is that everyone shouldn't be pigeon holed into leveling the same desynth just to progress their crafters.
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  5. #45
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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sibyll View Post
    This isn't the point. The point is that everyone shouldn't be pigeon holed into leveling the same desynth just to progress their crafters.
    You don't have to. Good thing you can pick 3 desynth, and there's a marketboard to buy off of too!
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  6. #46
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    Morzone Vandalfo
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    Siren
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by giantslayer View Post
    Mastercrafts are a pain in the butt to get and run for about 1 mil a pop on my server. I think it is dumb that such an essential item can only be obtained by making 10 items to buy artisan glasses, desynthing with GSM, and praying to RNGesus for a mastercraft instead of a piece of garbage.
    It's not only obtainable via GSM. You can either use GSM to get the common method or you can gather the MIN/BTN turn-in items to get Forger's Hat/Hatchet/Pickaxe and desynth those. I've been desynthing the pickaxe since desynthesis was released and it's NOT fun but it is better than nothing.
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  7. #47
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    It's not only obtainable via GSM. You can either use GSM to get the common method or you can gather the MIN/BTN turn-in items to get Forger's Hat/Hatchet/Pickaxe and desynth those. I've been desynthing the pickaxe since desynthesis was released and it's NOT fun but it is better than nothing.
    The point is that GSM is the most efficient for mastercraft. It doesn't just stop there; it's also the most efficient for every other demimateria save for FCIII, as well as crags (which used to be alchemy only, now gsm stirpped them of that), inferno and vortex. Even weaver for forager's hat isn't as good because its still a bit of RNG to obtain the HQ materials compared to straight up crafting the items.

    That's a problem of itself when you have a varied desynthesis board; you might as well make bard the strongest dps along with old RoD and a healing song. Everyone has access to every class, so there shouldn't be any problem to double or triple stacking bards in raids.
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  8. #48
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    Sibyll Belmont
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellatrix View Post
    You don't have to. Good thing you can pick 3 desynth, and there's a marketboard to buy off of too!
    When nearly everyone is leveling GSM as one of their three desynth classes that would be an obvious sign that something is broken in the balance of the desynth classes. Also the going price for mastercrafts on my server is over 1 mil each.

    It sounds like what you are saying is it's ok for a particular class to dominate the market because anyone can level that class which is asinine logic to say the least.
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  9. #49
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    Veronica Venom
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    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    There sure are some easily offended people on here ^_-

    I have nothing against legit players who craft like crazy, however there are *many* people bot crafting, using a mouse click macro or whatever.

    There are botters selling materia, demimateria, shards etc etc.

    The cheats need to be investigated and banned.
    Exactly where do you draw your line? Ninjas who macro mudras rather than memorize? How about healers who have a swift cast/raise macro? Shouldn't we completely do away with quick synth? Heck, that's a bot right there. I can make tons of ingots and get caught up on my favorite tv shows at the same time. Just because someone macros the process doesn't make the RNG gods smile down on them with any more brilliant light. The number of shards retrieved from desynth is laughable for sales. Look, I spent 4 hours getting 4,000 shards and now I have 400,000 gil. So what? People use macros in this game for their intent - to perform the same menial task repetitively without intervention. People who feed gil sellers are those who buy gil to purchase things they don't want to work for in the first place. If no one bought it, there wouldn't be a market.
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  10. #50
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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sibyll View Post
    When nearly everyone is leveling GSM as one of their three desynth classes that would be an obvious sign that something is broken in the balance of the desynth classes. Also the going price for mastercrafts on my server is over 1 mil each.

    It sounds like what you are saying is it's ok for a particular class to dominate the market because anyone can level that class which is asinine logic to say the least.
    Yes it is, because everyone can level it. Are you going to complain next about how some crafting classes have more useful skills than others?
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