Eternal Bond - Standard Plan and Gold Plan

[Canadane]

I guess you could say you aren't Amused!

[silentwindfr]

the trouble is not that its a pay to win option, but because part of the game are simply unreachable via normal means... cosmetic or not... it's a huge trouble, since the fact to make us pay a subs, it's for ensure us to get the acces to whole game....cosmetic included!

where the mounts and pet was already borderline... and people had already voice them opinion about this when it was announced, to the point that yoshida did promise that nothing exclusive or pay to win will come from the cash shop.
the eternal bonding is over the limit, it's the start of something really bad, not only because is cosmetic, but because it allows them to simply make premium option for feature added to the game.

we are not talking of a pet, mount or dress that have no link to the feature, but something part of the feature that was simply take out and put behind the cash shop. sorry but it's something we must point out as something they mustn't do. we are in a sub game... the cash shop was already borderline.... but this option is untolerable, it's only a greedy way to pervert the game. because it will not be a sub game anymore, but a game with a sub and option you must pay in the cash shop for get the complet feature that they will add.

if we don't react now, you can be sure that more stuff like this will happend. cosmetic or not... we must not allows them to go down this road. like i did said in another thread. blizzard are the only that did the same about the shop... but never they did offer a premium option for a feature inside the game.

because it's this... it's a premium option on a part of the game. when we are in a subs! sorry it's something that must'nt be done!

ps: i can understand that some people don't care because they are cosmetic, the trouble is really not the fact it's cosmetic or pay to win option, but the principle to make us a premium option about a feature they will add to the game.. worst this part they want to make us pay was part of the package they advertise us with. what it will be next? the AF2 will be a cash shop item?

the question is, where is the line they must'nt go over.... and i feel they have already gone too far with this announcement. if they do this... we are not in a sub game anymore. it's why people voice them opnion soo violently, because it was stuff we did fight against since the beta about the cash shop... and i feel they did loose of sights that yes, they can get money from the shop... but don't they will loose more from this? because if they go down this road... they will get the worst reputation ever, even the fail of the V1 will look less bad than this.


pss: i think the marketing team have gone too far and must be....changed.

[RaideDuku]

While I'm not completely opposed to the "Gold" plan, as long as it's reasonable (I'm thinking 5 bucks, but I'm guessing since there's a mount and more involved, and looking at the Odin mount, I'm guessing it'll be far more). However, teasing the mount and such months ago, then announcing a couple of weeks before it comes out that "You gotta pay extra for that" -is- kind of a dick move.

If we got to pay extra for something, they need to be upfront and say right from when they start teasing the stuff that it's going to cost money. Triple Triad, I'm looking at you.

[FireHero]

Urban dictionary is not a credible source.

nether is your source no wait you don't have one never mind

[Kinseykinz]

It's kind of funny how people are raging over this so much. You get the free option, which is basically the same thing minus the mount and minion, but you still get the whole wedding vibe of it.

No seriously, this isn't a huge deal. it's not game breaking and it's not "pay to win". Yoshida already stated he doesn't ever want there to be anything in the cash shop that's Pay to Win, anyway. (I don't remember the source but I think it was from either the US or London Fanfests.)

You haven't even seen the price of the wedding yet, and chances are it won't be outrageous. Best thing is, since weddings are scheduled, you'll have time to get together money if you wanted to be able to buy this wedding, or you and your "spouse" can come together to try and pay for the premium together.
I don't have a job. I make chicken scratch off of art commissions to be able to play, and I still know i'd be able to pull together enough to be able to pay for this one time thing.

Here's the thing:

It's NOT just that they have 2 wedding plans, one 'free' (it's not free as we pay subs every month/bought the game but whatever) and one, that is our monthly fees+ x amount of extra money on the Mog Station. Yes, this sucks and shouldn't be this way...but here are the real issues (beyond...dude we're already paying you for this content)

1. Will my Eternal Bond Ceremony choice effect how my marriage works later?
IE: If I only do the 'standard' option, will my husband and I be able to share a personal house one day....or is this a 'Gold' feature (as it has already been mentioned that shared housing for bonded couples might come in the future). This. Is. Important. Why? because if you can share a house with a friend, you can share gardening, NPC's, crafted food items etc. So it IS actually very beneficial. But since it's also content that if added, would be potentially added after many people already had their ceremonies, it could mean some people who only decided for a 'Standard' option are now stuck and unable to share a joint home. So basically, SE needs to officially say the ONLY difference between each plan is the items offered up front at purchase....and then, and this is the key point they tend to screw up....not change their stance 6 months down the road when they go back on their word and offer a feature to one type of marriage vs the other.

2. If I pay for the 'Gold' plan, do I have to wait in line to get bonded....because I'm not going to lie: Making me pay extra (likely a lot more than the Odin mount in RL cash btw)...on top of my actual monthly sub...something that already rubs me the wrong way, and then making me wait in line weeks/months etc before I can get a ceremony. Should. Not. Happen. If people pay for the 'Gold' package, they should be able to get married whenever they wish. Afterall, they paid extra for the service, they should be served well.

But if this happens (that the Gold plan folk get streamlined to the front of the marriage list), then how long will 'standard folk' have to wait? Because, if they have to wait too long...then it'll feel like SE's basically saying 'look you want to be bonded, pay us...otherwise you can wait for eons until it's not as popular' Which IS locking people out of desired content....and potentially looks shady as it makes it once again look like they are trying to 'milk' the playerbase as much as they can.

As you can see, in both of my 'what if' situations I gave, neither one talked about 'extra clothing options' minions or mounts. But instead, actual real concerns people interested in this content would care about. Standard or Gold. SE has done a very poor job being straight forward with the community and an even worse job not changing the plan after the fact. (Looking at you housing)

[FireHero]

Here's the thing:

It's NOT just that they have 2 wedding plans, one 'free' (it's not free as we pay subs every month/bought the game but whatever) and one, that is our monthly fees+ x amount of extramoney on the Mog Station. Yes, this sucks and shouldn't be this way...but here are the real issues (beyond...dude we're already paying you for this content)

1. Will my Eternal Bond Ceremony choice effect how my marriage works later?
IE: If I only do the 'standard' option, will my husband and I be able to share a personal house one day....or is this a 'Gold' feature (as it has already been mentioned that shared housing for bonded couples might come in the future). This. Is. Important. Why? because if you can share a house with a friend, you can share gardening, NPC's, crafted food items etc. So it IS actually very beneficial. But since it's also content that if added, would be potentially added after many people already had their ceremonies, it could mean some people who only decided for a 'Standard' option are now stuck and unable to share a joint home. So basically, SE needs to officially say the ONLY difference between each plan is the items offered up front at purchase....and then, and this is the key point they tend to screw up....not change their stance 6 months down the road when they go back on their word and offer a feature to one type of marriage vs the other.

2. If I pay for the 'Gold' plan, do I have to wait in line to get bonded....because I'm not going to lie: Making me pay extra (likely a lot more than the Odin mount in RL cash btw)...on top of my actual monthly sub...something that already rubs me the wrong way, and then making me wait in line weeks/months etc before I can get a ceremony. Should. Not. Happen. If people pay for the 'Gold' package, they should be able to get married whenever they wish. Afterall, they paid extra for the service, they should be served well.

But if this happens (that the Gold plan folk get streamlined to the front of the marriage list), then how long will 'standard folk' have to wait? Because, if they have to wait too long...then it'll feel like SE's basically saying 'look you want to be bonded, pay us...otherwise you can wait for eons until it's not as popular' Which IS locking people out of desired content....and potentially looks shady as it makes it once again look like they are trying to 'milk' the playerbase as much as they can.

As you can see, in both of my 'what if' situations I gave, neither one talked about 'extra clothing options' minions or mounts. But instead, actual real concerns people interested in this content would care about. Standard or Gold. SE has done a very poor job being straight forward with the community and an even worse job not changing the plan after the fact. (Looking at you housing)

Actual concerns about something that is not vanity now we getting some were.

1. Last I heard they were working on making it so you could open up your house to more then just your partner, It was mentioned as that was one of the reasons they added the friend category function so you could set different rights to different groups like you would an FC.

2. That really is a good question that I would also like an answer I plan on getting the full package. I do not like the idea that would make me jump the queue cause that would effect be P2W!

[Kinseykinz]

Actual concerns about something that is not vanity now we getting some were.

1. Last I heard they were working on making it so you could open up your house to more then just your partner, It was mentioned as that was one of the reasons they added the friend category function so you could set different rights to different groups like you would an FC.

To be clear: 'opening up' your Personal house to friends is potentially different than actually allowing them to USE your house. Meaning that the setting to allow friends access to your house could be just another privacy option on Personal/FC homes. Like now it's either: 'everyone can enter' or 'only I can enter'. They might be changing it to: 'everyone can enter' or 'only people on my friends list can enter' or 'only I can enter. Still, in this case, the only person actually able to interact with the items in your home (NPC, gardens etc) would be you.

So even this specific topic needs further clarification. (Would friends only be able to enter or would they be able to actually interact with items?).

I suspect btw, in this case, they'd only be granted access. (Allowing you to purchase a 'personal' home but let your entire friends list use it like it was theirs would be problematic b/c it would lessen the need/utility of FC housing for groups...and also because I doubt they will make it that you can pick and choose specific people from your friends list...and just because someone is on your friends list doesn't mean you want them crashing on your couch drinking your good wine for free).

What I was referring to is at one of the Fan Fests someone asked YP if personal housing would be sharable by 'bonded characters' And the official response was along the lines of 'it's not planned but it would be easy to implement so we'll likely look into adding it in the future' Not only that, but after this statement was made, it was also suggested by YP that they plan on slowly adding more perks and utility to player bonding (I have no idea what these perks would be, but they wouldn't happen when you get married, but whenever SE decided to add them...if they ever added them). Which is nice, but also concerning now that I know there are effectively '2 types' of marriage tiers. I just do not want SE to do something like let us get married now, making it seem like if you opt 'Standard' the only things you aren't getting are 'vanity' items and then later actually be screwed out of actual useful items, like shared living etc.

And to be frank, after the cluster-f that was FC and personal housing, I just do not trust them.

[FireHero]

I just do not want SE to do something like let us get married now, making it seem like if you opt 'Standard' the only things you aren't getting are 'vanity' items and then later actually be screwed out of actual useful items, like shared living etc.

And to be frank, after the cluster-f that was FC and personal housing, I just do not trust them.

Totally agree with this my dreams of getting my own personnel house were smashed. So I would like to know more to.

[Amused]

nether is your source no wait you don't have one never mind

I'm not the one making outright claims as to what pay-to-win is. I said that winning is subjective, which it is. Therefore, pay-to-win can be applied to several facets of the game, whether you agree with it or not.

Getting a new mount? That's winning for a mount collector.
Getting a new minion? Same thing. It's winning for a minion collector.

[Amused]

Totally agree with this my dreams of getting my own personnel house were smashed. So I would like to know more to.

psssh...nothin personnel...kid...