I'll leave the game if Cash Shop provides Paid Advantage in Triple Triad

[Datu]

I don't see anything inherently wrong with selling booster packs via cash shop so long as none of the cards are cash shop exclusives that are blatantly better than what you can obtain in-game. The moment they do that is the moment they step over the line into P2W zone, optional mini-game or not.

I disagree. That's a slippery slope, regardless of whether said card is available in game or not. It's how it all starts. I say if they go the cash shop route with the cards, they should have let the card game be a separate game altogether. Not something you can play in the game world. But that's probably too late now.

[Lyrinn]

Buying cards is essentially pay to win.

It's pay for convenience, which is a gray area. You'll get a head start on everyone else who has to obtain cards in-game but that's only temporary.

I disagree. That's a slippery slope, regardless of whether said card is available in game or not. It's how it all starts. I say if they go the cash shop route with the cards, they should have let the card game be a separate game altogether. Not something you can play in the game world. But that's probably too late now.

So you're telling me if they add a cash shop exclusive card with, say, A's on all sides when the best you can get in-game would be 8's, that wouldn't be P2W? Extreme example, sure, but the key here is balance. If I can't beat a cash shop user without using cash shop myself, that's the very definition of P2W. If there are exclusive cards like a super rare mail moogle with 5's on all sides, I doubt anyone would care except to look pretty.

[Tupsi]

Buying cards is essentially pay to win.

What are you winning? Is Triple Triad going to clear Final Coil for you? World of Darkness/Eureka?

[Datu]

What are you winning? Is Triple Triad going to clear Final Coil for you? World of Darkness/Eureka?

You win the card game. You still win.

[Katsaria]

What are you winning? Is Triple Triad going to clear Final Coil for you? World of Darkness/Eureka?

It's still a portion of the content in the game. It's an advantage and it'll ruin the content.

[Tupsi]

You win the card game. You still win.

Not..really. Just because you get a head start doesn't immediately make you a winner - you still have to know how to play. If it's similar to TT at all from FFVIII it doesn't matter if you get a set of cards to start if you have none of the skill to actually use them.

It's like buying clears for content - you get what you want, but you aren't winning anything to be honest.

It's still a portion of the content in the game. It's an advantage and it'll ruin the content.

By this logic buying additional retainers ruined content because it allowed people to retainer venture items that come from content. (Dungeon drops for example) and it allows you to hunt crafting materials without actually being there with the exception of DoL ones where you need to gather it first. Thus those with 3+ retainers has an advantage of you and ruined content.

In actuality...nothing gets ruined unless I missed a statement where Yoshida said TT will progress the game for you.

[Datu]

It's pay for convenience, which is a gray area. You'll get a head start on everyone else who has to obtain cards in-game but that's only temporary.



So you're telling me if they add a cash shop exclusive card with, say, A's on all sides when the best you can get in-game would be 8's, that wouldn't be P2W? Extreme example, sure, but the key here is balance. If I can't beat a cash shop user without using cash shop myself, that's the very definition of P2W. If there are exclusive cards like a super rare mail moogle with 5's on all sides, I doubt anyone would care except to look pretty.

It's all still pay to win. The second they add a cash shop exclusive card.

Regardless, I hate the idea of any item (vanity or p2w) being available for purchase with real money outside of the game world.

[Riardon]

SE walks towards a very dangerous path. I have no problem having some extra optional paid services in shop like server change, name change etc but exclusive things in the cash shop will ruin the game. SE did a lot of work and spent a lot of money to recover FFXIV for it's death 3 years ago and as far as I can tell this work can be destroyed in few moments easily by taking the wrong decisions. Triple Triad will have micro transactions for sure. A mobile app is coming for this. I hope SE will listen to their customers and stop this before it spreads and gets nasty and then will be too late. We already pay subscriptions and buy the dvd for the base game and the upcoming expansion. The optional services are ok but selling exclusive items be it vanity or not with cheap excuses like the need to build EU datacenter etc won't help. Work towards a stable game and future content and stop trying fool us around for extra cash to make your boss happy.

[Datu]

Not..really. Just because you get a head start doesn't immediately make you a winner - you still have to know how to play. If it's similar to TT at all from FFVIII it doesn't matter if you get a set of cards to start if you have none of the skill to actually use them.

It's like buying clears for content - you get what you want, but you aren't winning anything to be honest.

Why pay to get a head start? A head start in a card game is not just a convenience, it's an advantage in winning.

[Lyrinn]

Why pay to get a head start? A head start in a card game is not just a convenience, it's an advantage in winning.

Let's say you get a morbol card from a booster pack, and let's say I can farm morbols for 30 minutes to get the same card. You saved 30 minutes of effort, but you hold no advantage over me except in those 30 minutes where I'm not even playing. That's pay for convenience, not P2W. As I said in my post, it's a gray area because you can argue it for either side, but it is not inherently P2W. P2W is where a cash shop user will always hold an advantage over a non-cash shop user.