Is the Ninja nerf really needed?

[Eardstapa]

Nerfs and buffs are almost always based on highest tier progression content. Not low ilvl dungeons.

If the highest skilled players are playing both monk and ninja, monk still comes out on top and that is a fact.

Except I highly doubt SE only looked at high level play this time around. Ninja offers utility with trick attack, and much less ramp up time than a monk needs, never mind if a Warrior is using their slashing debuff rather than the Ninja itself... Gotta consider every factor, and that includes PvP, low level PvE and high level PvE.

[Alukah]

Ninja isn't top dps as it is, the hell are you talking about? If your ninja is parsing higher than your monk, you need a new monk.

Seriously that has been explained several times now, try making an effort and read the thread.

Outside T8 or your local rooted dummy MNK cannot reach their max potential, they can't even get close to it, but NIN can get near their max potential with close to no effort and that is a problem.

This is about regulating the amount of damage an equally skilled NIN, MNK and DRG can do, they will lower Ninja's upper limit just enough so someone with a similar skill as a Monk or a post-buff Dragoon can deal similar damage, only dealing more damage if they can reach their max potential.

The gap between a class main potential and the potential the average player can reach is determined by how hard it is to master the class, how hard it is to keep all your buffs, damage boosts and debuffs up.

Reposting here:

People on forums tend to not do so well in the "reading" department. They see the word "nerf" and assume the worse, completely missing the whole "designed to be top DPS on purpose" part of the post. MMO gamers simply can't grasp at the fact that a job can get a nerf and still stay at the top.

The only thing this patch is going to do is take this



And make it more like this



And look at that, NIN is still on top. Oh lawdy, y'all can take down dem road blocks now and put the torches out. Repent and thou shalt be saved!

Just for fun, if we were to believe all these doom-n-gloom posts about the fall of NIN, we would end up with something like this

[Iveriad]

There is a reason why the first final coil clears went double monk.

Because the group is too busy with their goal of beating Final Coil first that they don't have time to powerlevel Ninja and get iLv100-110 gears for their Ninja in a matter of two weeks?

[Alistaire]

My NIN was beating it at a much lower level. *shrug*

Again, MNK's only comparable under ideal circumstances, which rarely exist in this game. NIN is pretty much not reliant on "circumstances"

If a MNK was being beaten by a NIN it was a bad MNK, or the MNK had more mechanics to deal with. End of story.

The only thing this patch is going to do is take this

So much work put into something that just wasn't correct.

[Sessurea]

Just my two cents but I always thought having to memorize and use ninjutsu properly was enough to balance ninjas high damage.

Are you trying to say that's hard or something? Confused...

[Atreides]

Because the group is too busy with their goal of beating Final Coil first that they don't have time to powerlevel Ninja and get iLv100-110 gears for their Ninja in a matter of two weeks?

No because Monk still does the highest ST damage and Dragon kick is almost crucial in t13 unless you overgear it.

[Fynlar]

If a MNK was being beaten by a NIN it was a bad MNK, or the MNK had more mechanics to deal with. End of story.

No kidding. Guess what is often the case in FFXIV, and guess what also doesn't affect NIN nearly as much?

[Sapphic]

Just remember that, no matter how long you've played NIN and how well you think you know the job...there is someone at SE who has played it 6+ months before you (before it was even announced) and knows it a LOT better. If SE says there is a performance disparity, there is. It may be minor, but it exists, and that's something we all have to accept.

Not to mention their metrics will be accurate compared to 3rd party parsers which are not.
loose en français il est lâche ou mal fixé
lose en français il est perdre

[Atreides]

No kidding. Guess what is often the case in FFXIV, and guess what also doesn't affect NIN nearly as much?

Never had any problems dealing with mechanics as monk and still coming out on top, cept for T9 where SMN beat me.
Dealing with GL is actually never a problem for any decent monk, granted you drop GL sometimes but only when you are really forced to do so and there is maybe 1-2 situations where you can't just Perfect balance it.

[Felis]

Ninja isn't top dps as it is, the hell are you talking about? If your ninja is parsing higher than your monk, you need a new monk.

Yes
he should change the "DPS potential" in the pictures into "average player DPS potential"