Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

[kyrios91]

While I agree with this, and do think drgs needed love, I don't think they should be nerfing classes because others are weak, you just buff the weak ones.

It's not because that DRGs are weak that NINs get the nerf - Yoshi is not the kind to fall for people whining. Now that the issue of DRG MDEF and DPS are really noticeable due to FCoB mechanics and the presence of NINs, they do see the OPness of NINs, and like they said, players have found a better rotation that they had intended thus it threw their DPS numbers off the charts. Logically speaking NINs attacks as fast as a MNK does while dishing out DRG potency attacks, complete with a permanent 20% damage bonus that you only need to turn on and forget for the rest of the fight. The reason why MNKs are still higher in DPS is because GL3 grants 27% bonus damage compared to the Kisses' 20%, and backed up by Twin Snakes which also add another 20%.

[SolarMisae]

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By that logic though, nerf mnk. That said I think mnk is fine as is.

Anyway just cause it's stronger than intended doesn't mean it's op. Besides, I've stated I can accept damage nerfs just fine, and do believe drgs should do more damage since ninja has more utility, but not the tp nerfs. Those make no sense at all to me. If ninja's tp nerfs make them bottom out same as mnk then it makes the utility of goad go away because why goad the mnk when you're tp starved too? Bard will just paeon. It'll only be sorta useful for paladins who run dry really fast because they only have 1 really expensive combo. Too hard a nerf on their tp will indirectly nerf their utility too and make one of their abilities near pointless.

[Viridiana]

Anyone else remember when people said bards low DPS was justified because they had utility?

And remember when they nerfed the DPS and utility of BRD at the same time?

Able to switch out your poisons between abilities. It's not like Paladin's Oaths where you have to waste a GCD for it.

Sure, you can, but you still only have a silence or a stun on that 30 second CD. It's not like changing your poison resets the CD.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

And remember when they nerfed the DPS and utility of BRD at the same time?

The previous Rain of Death utility was too powerful. 10% damage reduction simply broke any intended gear-check points for specific turns. Although admittedly, the current effect on Rain of Death is too useless.
In the end, the "nerf" on bard wasn't as bad as people expected it to be and did also affect Dragoon.

Sure, you can, but you still only have a silence or a stun on that 30 second CD. It's not like changing your poison resets the CD.

Much like every other DPSs - and even tanks to an extend - CC ability.

[kyrios91]

By that logic though, nerf mnk. That said I think mnk is fine as is.

Anyway just cause it's stronger than intended doesn't mean it's op.

By what logic? I don't say anything against MNKs and Yoshi did said that MNKs are intended to be the #1 melee DPS because of the higher skill ceiling. And according to the FF traditions, Monks / Black Belts are usually the best DPS in a Job-based setting like FF3 and FF5, so I'm good with it. The thing with NINs is that their attack potencies are almost as high as DRGs, lower TP cost, and have an attack speed buff that is the same as GL3, 15%. So basically NINs are DRGs that attacks as fast as MNKs do, and that's pretty OP. You only need to worry about your Ninjutsus and can just faceroll attack from wherever you want while MNKs / DRGs sometimes can't do their positionals because of some AOE skills that occur on the boss' flank / rear.
Funny thing is that now DRGs finally get the things they deserved since 2.0, people start whining "OMG DRG BECOMES OP NOW AND MY NIN IS NERFED BECAUSE OF THEM". DRGs deserve every single thing they could get in 2.45 and everyone that are not biased towards NINs could see why.

[Velhart]

They said they are fixing the lag.

I believe it was "they would look into it", not fix it. The problem with mudra is the .5sec GCD does not read with the servers well and lags particularly in boss fights. They can either somehow magically fix people's latency with the .5sec GCD or rework how GCD's or how weaving goes with mudra to resolve the issue. Which right now, they do not have an answer for. So we will probably not for a long time see any improvement to this, and that is stacked with an apparent DPS nerf we are getting. Because Square-Enix knows how to balance things. It took them over a year to figure out that giving DRG low magic defense was actually a bad thing. Sorry, not feeling confident in their ability to balance at the moment.

If they believe MNK's damage isn't OP and NIN's is, a job that doesn't even beat MNK in numbers, I don't believe they know their own jobs that well. Only job that needed adjustment was DRG, and if they do it right, they would be on the same level as NIN and MNK on DPS. Now what we will likely see is NIN being thrown in the situation DRG is now. Could be me being over dramatic, but my history with SE and their ideas of balancing has led me to be like that.

[BrokenFiend]

Funny thing is that now DRGs finally get the things they deserved since 2.0, people start whining "OMG DRG BECOMES OP NOW AND MY NIN IS NERFED BECAUSE OF THEM". DRGs deserve every single thing they could get in 2.45 and everyone that are not biased towards NINs could see why.

You know those are two different things, right?

I am happy that DRG is getting a buff, it's the class I started with, I have a soft spot for it and any DRG main should be happy and I am glad for them.

Doesn't mean Ninja needs a nerf. At all. There is no reason for it.

[SolarMisae]

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By the logic of it doing slightly more/equal damage to others ninja is considered op by your logic basically. So monk brings good utility AND higher damage so it's also op and needs nerf. My point is neither one really needs a nerf because they're fine as is. Also, anyone who thinks monk's skill ceiling is really that high doesn't know the class.

You also seemed to miss where I said I was fine with damage nerfs to ninja, as I DO think drg should do more dps since ninja brings utility, it's the tp nerfs I don't like. I used to main drg so I know they needed the buff, I even personally think the buffs they are getting may not even be enough, but ninjas tp usage doesn't need to be nerfed. Depending on how bad the tp costs are post patch, the tp nerf will indirectly make goad FAR less useful, since if a ninja is bottoming out at the same time as a monk, paeon is better to use than goad. Read some of my other posts on the matter. So basically, I'm okay with some nerfs, but nerfing both their utility AND their damage is far more than needed. Just a small damage nerf would be perfectly fine along with buffing dragoons damage more.

I am happy that DRG is getting a buff, it's the class I started with, I have a soft spot for it and any DRG man should be happy and I am glad for them.

Doesn't mean Ninja needs a nerf. At all. There is no reason for it.

Yes exactly this. *thumbsup*

[Synestra]

They can either somehow magically fix people's latency with the .5sec GCD or rework how GCD's or how weaving goes with mudra to resolve the issue.

Only way i see they could "fix" it is to allow skill usage betveen mudras, tbh i was kinda sad when it wasnt like that from beginning. Also im kinda suprised we didnt see any PvP related nerfs for nin's, as that is only class i know atm that can melt all other classes in pvp even tanks and healers drops insanely fast with good CC usage.

[DenariusJay]

All I can say Is yay ninja nerf. PvPing against them was absolutely retarded, there dmg output and escapability is off the charts. Absolutely baffling it made it past QaA and went live, big blunder on SE part. Bought time they bring them in line with other DPS classes.