Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Fayto]

I think Gremukah's characterization of the malicious situation the OP is referring to as being "rare" is quite accurate.

Because it is rare, people being assholes are an extreme minority in every community. In fact, the vast majority of players are helpful.

[Brill_]

You need a "fail = kick" rule.

That's just as stupid. We are all human, we all make mistakes. None of us are perfect. Peyton Manning doesn't complete 100% of his passes. Lebron James doesn't make 100% of his shots. Mistakes can happen no matter how experienced one is.

The elitists intolerance of failure in this game is stupid. If you don't accept random results, don't play with random people.

They should make a server for all the elitists to join. Then that way they complete every run on the first try and NEVER die.

[LunaHoshino]

Mistakes can happen no matter how experienced one is.

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

[Staris]

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

A landmine can spawn on you, and you can avoid it.... so

no.

[Ellatrix]

You need a "fail = kick" rule.

"Fail = kick" is a good way to find out which party leaders are themselves poor. A true experienced group knows how to take mistakes and roll with them and recover, because they happen now and then when you've killed the thing 20, 30, 50, 100 times.

This is still obviously multiple clears required, which means no soldiery bonus.

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

Landmines is one of the most straightforward mechanics in the run. There's basically no RNG involved in T8 anymore with the tower damage being much lower so that even field on person who should go into the next one isn't an issue.

[LunaHoshino]

A landmine can spawn on you, and you can avoid it.... so

no.

Sure, unless all three of them spawn clumped together on one side in such a way that the DPS and healers get to choose between eating the damage from two or three of them being triggered, dodging and pushing a tower, or dodging in front of the Avatar and risking getting hit by the cleave.

[Ellatrix]

Sure, unless all three of them spawn clumped together on one side in such a way that the DPS and healers get to choose between eating the damage from two or three of them being triggered, dodging and pushing a tower, or dodging in front of the Avatar and risking getting hit by the cleave.

That isn't a wipe scenario. There's always an open tower spot when mines are up too anyway, and there are multiple safe points. All I'm seeing is someone inexperienced complaining about a mechanic they need more practice on.

[LunaHoshino]

That isn't a wipe scenario. There's always an open tower spot when mines are up too anyway, and there are multiple safe points. All I'm seeing is someone inexperienced complaining about a mechanic they need more practice on.

Multiple people in my group had cleared already, yet still died when that happened. The point I'm making is that experience doesn't mean someone won't die in a fight for whatever reason.

Heck, in one Levi EX run I did, the very first person to fall off the boat? Was the person with the Levi weapon who had cleared it numerous times.

[technole]

The message is fine. I don't know anyone who has an issue with it aside from a cleared/farm party desire in PF and someone not abiding by the leader's wishes when they joined. In that case they could have messaged the leader if it's okay or not instead of others now finding out. Some people don't realize PFs might be premade parties and maybe just looking to fill a few roles. In that case it becomes immediately obvious. So it's best to be honest and if you don't meet the desires, don't join.

The real issue is that achievements cannot be connected to the party finder. It's kind of a tough enhancement.

[Nicobo]

I think the message could be applied while anyone one has not cleared it in his current job. ^^;
For example someone who has cleared it 100times as pld will become a first timer as sch, then ppl maybe more welcome for the bonus.