Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Staris]

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

A landmine can spawn on you, and you can avoid it.... so

no.

[LunaHoshino]

A landmine can spawn on you, and you can avoid it.... so

no.

Sure, unless all three of them spawn clumped together on one side in such a way that the DPS and healers get to choose between eating the damage from two or three of them being triggered, dodging and pushing a tower, or dodging in front of the Avatar and risking getting hit by the cleave.

[Ellatrix]

Sure, unless all three of them spawn clumped together on one side in such a way that the DPS and healers get to choose between eating the damage from two or three of them being triggered, dodging and pushing a tower, or dodging in front of the Avatar and risking getting hit by the cleave.

That isn't a wipe scenario. There's always an open tower spot when mines are up too anyway, and there are multiple safe points. All I'm seeing is someone inexperienced complaining about a mechanic they need more practice on.

[LunaHoshino]

That isn't a wipe scenario. There's always an open tower spot when mines are up too anyway, and there are multiple safe points. All I'm seeing is someone inexperienced complaining about a mechanic they need more practice on.

Multiple people in my group had cleared already, yet still died when that happened. The point I'm making is that experience doesn't mean someone won't die in a fight for whatever reason.

Heck, in one Levi EX run I did, the very first person to fall off the boat? Was the person with the Levi weapon who had cleared it numerous times.

[Zedd702]

Multiple people in my group had cleared already, yet still died when that happened. The point I'm making is that experience doesn't mean someone won't die in a fight for whatever reason.

Heck, in one Levi EX run I did, the very first person to fall off the boat? Was the person with the Levi weapon who had cleared it numerous times.

Luna, I relate to this post here, especially after this weekend of failed healers and tanks that were all over or at least an ilvl average of 115.

Sasatasha HM. Had a SCH that had 115 ilvl that just could not stay alive during the kraken fight. We wiped 4 times before finally beating it.

T2 there was a decked out tank that took a melee group the mage way when we had one BLM on the team and the rest were NIN/MNK. Oh I forgot to add, we wiped... because the tank wanted to charge before the clicks were done.

T2 again ilvl 120 everything scholar decided to DPS at ADS in cleric stance with Selene on auto...

Qarn HM... I was pretty disgusted here with the tank I got. He sounded alot like Ellatrix with her elitism stating "I've cleared t1-9 don't tell me how to tank" Oh yeh? Then why the hell are you wearing healer accessories and your friggin HP damn near equal mine and I am the WHM?" We had to abandon, due to the numerous wipes at the cactuar & last boss...

A lvl 105 tank in Haukke NM rotation: stun, fast blade, RoH, RoH, stun, fast blade, RoH... I was so conflicted here and looked at his data to see if he was new or what... he had a lvl 50 WAR SCH & SMN as well as his PLD... then I thought he was trolling, nope. He said this is how he was taught to play and then he ran the basement mob all the way back to the beginning and RQ'd when I told him the healer is dying and he needs to use flash in mobs to hold hate. Oh btw he too blabbered something about completing coil as a scapegoat.

The list really goes on...

I just find it funny those that hide behind "Coil clears" think they are the best of the best but can't hold their own in a dungeon. I find it EQUALLY as funny that people that have coil clears keep saying "I" cleared coil. Oh yeh? Solo it and youtube it then you can say "you" cleared it. Cause as far as I am concerned with gameplay like I listed above, whether you sell runs or have all coils cleared, that means absolutely nothing other than you were on a team of competent players, sure you could be one of those competent players, but you yourself, did not and I repeat, DID NOT clear coil BY. YOUR. SELF.

End of story... Get off the high horse and touch the green grass of earth for a change.

[technole]

Sometimes in that situation it really could be a matter of them being dungeon "competent" but not really knowing how to play their job. You can know the fight but not know how to tank properly or how to handle tank swapping. So it's not always black-and-white answer, especially with experienced players who are playing non-main jobs that they have the most experience with. Doesn't make it an excuse though, as they have plenty of avenues to become familiar with the job.

Personally I'm fine with message/bonus if they cleared it once on any job. You can run through duties and at-least have an idea how other jobs do their roles. Some just aren't good at picking it up right away.