Tanking habits

[Galactimus]

This much discussion over trash mobs?


There's no reason not to pull large. It's the best way to learn what you can handle as a player; and its a lot of fun. Who cares if the party wipes once. People need to stop taking these silly dungeons so seriously - "OMGuWIPEus!"


Large pulls are entertaining. Making use of every ability you have and just barely surviving. Having an epic HP dance with your healer as they slowly fall behind on heals and then taking the lead to help them catch up. THAT is what its all about. Tnk LB'ing, kiting with Sprint, Hallowed Ground with an HQ Vit Pot at the end, Bloodbath + Circle of Scorning 15 enemies, Shield Bashing every mob, staggering cool downs, Stoneskin spamming, dodging 15 Aoe's / Cleaves, Bulwark while having your back to a wall as "Blocks 32% dmg" appears 300 times on your screen.


If I were forced to pull 3-6 mobs at a time, staring at every Tank cool down gathering dust, my HP bar always over 5k, and a Healer with a full MP bar, I would quit this job instantly.


See you at the next mass pull! (^_^)/

[KingOfAbyss]

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Whew! Read through this QQ thread from someone too scared to show his real character on the forums.

Thanks Galactimus, you saved me some typing.

Sorry mate you can blame me all you want. but i'm damn good at my job. and what I meant be not good enough was not fast enough. not that they won't survive but for the time wasted it's not worth it.

And sorry again mate. I'm Freaking amazing at nin. Thanks have a nice day.

You are a Tank that doesn't like to tank but to DPS instead? Welcome to Eorzea.

There are a few here and there that likes to Tank (can't wait to test the Dark Knight myself) but playing a DPS (healers for some) for me is wayyy less trouble, and like you, fun to play.

Everyone in the party should contribute to its success. No matter what role you decided to fill in.

Funny things is I will start asking if there is any first timers in here, to gauge if we'll be going slow, med, or Leeroy's pace.

We wipe! OMG! We are doomed, I am with noobs for sure, QQ..

Listen up, look at the time left: 75 minutes.

Breathe in, it will pass.

Not happy? Get back to your Tank role and don't do mass pulls.

or: make your own party with FC mates or friends. <--

You PUG? well, it's tough luck.

Humans adapt, so should you.

My guess with all the replies you made here, you have more fun on the forums than in the game.

you said time wasted it's not worth it. (what are you doing on the forums? gogogogo to the next dungeon, time is soo precious!)

Chill out, it's just a Dungeon.

As per me, I prefer standard pulls, you see mobs, you get them, they die, next batch.

Not too fond of mass pulls unless I'm comfy with the dungeon, the Healer will say I can pull more, and you don't check gear and examine everyone (except the glamour that still gives you an idea) lastly, you check your party's Jobs.

Then you adapt.

You are blaming the Tanks on a whole because of a few bad apples that don't care and just want the fast queue.

Stop generalizing please. Since you are a Tank yourself (at least in this profile) you are putting yourself in the same boat.

There are DPS and healers that are are bad and condescend as well.

It's not the role, it's the person behind the screen.

You play a multiplayer game, not a solo one where you control all of them. Randomness will kick in for sure, expect the unexpected, and it's ok, you can wipe.. more than once, until the dungeon is cleared.

Have fun.

[Saseal]

slow, med, or Leeroy's pace.

Really random, but I like that pace name xD

[Anarnee]

XD This thread got real ugly real fast.

OP I at first agreed with you. I am not a fan of tanks that just rush in without concern for the rest of the party, I hate speed runs and big pulls, but there have been lots of great points in this thread and it is not fair for you to just blow them off.

I do not main WAR but I do sometimes enjoy the job, I have been asked plenty of times to do big pulls that I was not comfortable with BY DPS AND HEALERS, it is a two sided coin. To say that there are NO tanks that check to see if their party is equipped to handle the pulls is silly.

Also, dude do you even DRG? Our Aoe is fine, I'm offended. No my DRG is not made for Aoe like my BLM or BRD, but good DRG can't plow down a big pull just fine thank you.

[SpookyGhost]

Every job kills things faster with big pulls.

Even Monk.

As long as the tank doesn't die, it's fine to pull big.

Pulling big without warning anyone is the only thing that should be frowned upon. I've had the same mindset about dungeons since WP SRs: if you're geared and you want to SR, I'll do it. If you're not geared and you want to SR or you don't want to SR, I'll pull 2 packs and see how it goes from there. There is never any reason to pull 1 pack at a time.

[Elim]

I dislike tanks that don't pull more than one group or mob if the DPS in our group is decently geared. DPS don't need to be super geared to be able to do bigger pulls. You can also do bigger pulls with melee. It's slower than with casters but it's a lot more engaging... at least to me.

I left a group yesterday over it. Wasn't rude to the tank or anything(I barely said one word), but a DPS got snappy with the tank so I left. The tank ignored what everyone said and kept pulling one group or one mob at a time. I'm not interested in getting in the middle of a mad DPS and tank. I'd end up taking the DPSers side and it'd just be one big mess. I'm also splitting my time between FF14 and DA:I so I prefer faster runs.

[Marxam]

My rule of thumb when pulling mobs in dungeons :

1. 1 melee + 1 Mage/range dps: Pull 1-2 groups and if dps is sufficient gradually increase mob count while accommodating healer skill level.
2. 2 melee: Pull 1 group and if dps is sufficient gradually increase mob count while accommodating healer skill level.
3. 2 mage/range: Pull 2-3 groups and if dps is sufficient increase mob count while accommodating healer skill level.

Big pulls are always faster if the dps (and healers) know what they are doing.

[Adrian74]

I have not readed the entire post, neither I have the time to do it, but... Kind of agree with the OP. When I tank I first see the healer and DPS, then I analyze if I should do big pulls, I wouldn't do such with for example two ninjas... I at least require of one BLM to consider it, else, it would be faster and safer just doing it with small pulls (Faster, because monsters die fast and healer perhaps will DPS too, if healer doesn't DPS then I change to DPS gearset).

When I'm with a ninja, so the other side, I feel kinda forced to do a super damage that I don't have... I can barely reach the DPS of an average BLM when doing AoE, and it is not infinite, one pull is 100% optimum damage, the next following pull withing the next two minutes is going to be around a 75% of damage. But well, I kind of don't mind now. Used to see tanks getting two groups all the time in latest dungeons, even if no BLM around.


My nooby tank experience during months have proven that forcing useless-aoe classes to use AoE will only enslow, isntead of make it faster. Actually, in my opinion, only BLM is the class that has infinite perfect AoE all the time it wants. The rest perhaps are awesome for taking a huge group evert 3-4 min, but not all the time. Even in the case of skilled healers..... WHM can't do holy spam infinite and they need to be extra-noob to can do it while keep DPSing.... Scholars are more benefitted by small groups for doing both DPS and heal.... (Healing while doing DPS with a scholar when the tank takes one group is a MUST, else you're lazy)

Tanking is adaptability... There have been cases where healer only spams heal and DPS are average than I even removed Defiance or Shield Oath for dealing the extra damage that they didn't.

[lvlagmarink]

1. it's stressfull
2. it's boring cos your just spaming aoes
3. it's risky cos your likely to wipe

I'd say
1. It's fun
2. Its not boring when you actually need to pop yer def cool down
3. It's risky because we are warriors of light.. We fight evil!!

[Felis]

It's become a habit because our gear so outstrips the dungeon level so much that it's boring for many players to do smaller pulls.

This only count for high level dungeons. In low level dungeon the gear is only ~ 4 level over the dungeon level.