Tanking habits

[Alukah]

They aren't good enough to kill 8 mobs at the same time. sorry mate

You aren't good enough to kill 8 mobs at the same time, but the job is more than capable of doing it.

[Mercuito]

You aren't good enough to kill 8 mobs at the same time, but the job is more than capable of doing it.

Sorry mate you can blame me all you want. but i'm damn good at my job. and what I meant be not good enough was not fast enough. not that they won't survive but for the time wasted it's not worth it.

And sorry again mate. I'm Freaking amazing at nin. Thanks have a nice day.

[Sapphic]

Why? Some people do enjoy big pulls, I don't see why mechanics have to punish them.

The problem here isn't just people doing big pulls, it's tanks not being mindful of party composition or gear.

When I'm running Expert on my SCH alt, if I'm not pushed I get bored XD Dungeons are easy, big pulls add a little bit of challenge to them which keeps me sharp as a healer. Same when I'm on main and either tanking or DPS in dungeons. Also enjoy trying to shave off a bit of time on each run.

But on topic, I've seen tanks mass pull everything with me on main (MNK) another DPS with just over 3k HP and healer with around 3k hp, then wonder why it didnt go the same as when they had HA BLM in as their last run.

But, if you expect people to be stupid you will never be surprised XD

Also, when some impatient healer or dps keeps asking me to pull more I do the opposite. I know that if the party wipes it will be my fault for pulling more than what we can swallow, so I'm the one that decides the pace. If they don't like it they're welcome to come to the roulette as tanks :P

Yep! Then if they run ahead and grab more, I let em keep them too. They pull it, they tank it! Also, every time Ive been in a party and someone complains that tank going too slow (I don't care, prefer tank to go pace they comfortable with, albeit as said in a previous post I do get bored if I'm not being pushed) It has always been a lallafail player. Not saying all Lalafail players are impatient, just that all impatient players seem to gravitate to that race.

[Sadana]

I main BLM and I don't like entire room pulls. :/ Even with Quelling Strikes, I'm going to end up pulling hate and it's annoying. Only time I really don't mind is if we have BLM/BLM/WHM or BLM/BRD/WHM or BLM/WHM/WHM in the party... then we just smoke everything and it's ridiculous. And only with people I know, not pugs. But when tanks EXPECT we want to do this or even pass the blame onto my class, I roll my eyes. <Thanks for the offer, but I have to pass>.

eta: Does it really hurt to CHECK with the party first? :/

[Ashkendor]

I main BLM and I don't like entire room pulls. :/ Even with Quelling Strikes, I'm going to end up pulling hate and it's annoying. Only time I really don't mind is if we have BLM/BLM/WHM or BLM/BRD/WHM or BLM/WHM/WHM in the party... then we just smoke everything and it's ridiculous. And only with people I know, not pugs. But when tanks EXPECT we want to do this or even pass the blame onto my class, I roll my eyes. <Thanks for the offer, but I have to pass>.

eta: Does it really hurt to CHECK with the party first? :/

This is pretty much a non-issue for me since Flash was buffed and CoS was given an enmity effect. At most I will lose a mob or two toward the end (when I'm out of mana) but at that point they're nearly dead anyway.

I've definitely had more complaints about small pulls than I have about large.

Right? If it's not complaints, it's DPS facepulling additional mobs to "help" me.

[Yshnal]

I want to attest that it's not just gear what you should be looking at, as gear doesn't play for you.

That's why the first thing that I do, too, after checking my team and getting buffs is doing a first small pull to gauge what the dps can do. If I see them able to deal with larger pulls, I go for it (even so, if I want to make an insane pull I ask first, as not everyone likes it... unless I go with my FC ).

Also, when some impatient healer or dps keeps asking me to pull more I do the opposite. I know that if the party wipes it will be my fault for pulling more than what we can swallow, so I'm the one that decides the pace. If they don't like it they're welcome to come to the roulette as tanks :P

[CrystalRainbow]

My wife has talked to me about this.

She almost always does a small pull for the 1st one and see how the party handles it and goes forth based on what she see.

However it's risk vs reward.

Do you do a big pull kill everything and gain 2 mins knowing if something goes wrong you would have been better off doing small steady pull without issue.

I personally like small steady pulls without issues, vs having someone rage quit.

[LineageRazor]

I've definitely had more complaints about small pulls than I have about large.

Aside from that, though, you said it yourself: Tanking small groups is boring for the tank. Perhaps DPSing large groups is boring for the DPS (I personally don't think so, but I tank more than I DPS). Since someone has to be bored, and I'm the tank, guess which choice I'm going to make? :P

There's also the relevant point that aoe spam (whether it's "boring" BRD one-button spam or awesome BLM Flare spam) is FASTER. It's the whole point of aoe in general; each attack deals less damage, but applies that damage across every mob. If the tank can control the mobs, and the healer can keep the tank alive, pulling big is more efficient over time than pulling small. The dungeon finishes sooner, and tank, healer, and dps alike can get on with other things.

[Cadmar]

As a career tank I agree that pulls get stupid sometimes. It's hard though, as I have gotten grief from parties for not pulling enough or fast enough or whatever. I think there are many people other than just tanks that are expecting speed runs these days. I love tanking and always will but there is definitely more stress involved in it than other roles. Everyone expects a ton out of you and wants you to pull/place/whatever exactly how they want it.

If you don't like how the tank is pulling then say something. If he continues to do it... then yeah, there is a problem. I think you will find that most of us are just trying to do what the community finds "normal" these days.

[zoom]

To OP, I guess I was affected in one of your DF run last night on Qarn HM.
I try to always be attentive to others during runs, so the first pack is always a test more or less.
During first pack, I asked for TP regen but did not received it from you. No biggy, perhaps you did not see the chat line.
Run was kind of smooth, chat was blank, then before or after 2nd boss, you just wrote, and I'm quoting : "Tanks have very bad habits in this game".
To what I immediatly replied something like : "Just tell me what you dislike and I do my best to adjust accordingly". You just said "its cool mate" or something, and it was it.

If you don't like how the tank is pulling then say something. If he continues to do it... then yeah, there is a problem. I think you will find that most of us are just trying to do what the community finds "normal" these days.

You should believe Cadmar, just try to act nicely, you'll see that most tanks will listen to what you say.
For the records, the run ended up without any death, and the healer was a static mate, also other DPS was a BLM, so I based this run given the context. It could have been very different if you had expressed the desire to.

Tanks and other player are rarely playing against you.

Edit: It wasn't you. You don't have a NIN. Sorry then