Tanking habits

[Mercuito]

Tanks these days have gotten into the nasty habit of mass pulling. I'm not talking about main scernio dungeons where we so out level it it woud be stupid not too. However that attitude has run into every type of dungeon (not raid) there is.

I've seen tanks pull all the first half of wander's palace and expect us as dps to deal with it= wipe

I've seen tanks pull the whole room in the last bit of satasha hard (with 2 ninja dps no blm I have to add) and expect us to deal with it

I've seen tanks pull trash into to boss fights and expect the group to deal with it

I've seen tanks pull trash into mini boss fights and expect everything to be fine

This kinda of stuff is happening so often it's a nightmare for any dps none blm.

1. it's stressfull
2. it's boring cos your just spaming aoes
3. it's risky cos your likely to wipe


While I don't totally blame the players...SE should develop their game so the apparent best tatic to use isn't "mass pull -> AoE" rinse and repeat

[Rain_Art]

You should tank then

[Mercuito]

I do have a tank look at my class. Gladiator level 50 I found it boring and have no more interest in tanking. I play dps cos I enjoy it .

[Tiggy]

It's become a habit because our gear so outstrips the dungeon level so much that it's boring for many players to do smaller pulls. That doesn't excuse pulling trash into a boss fight, pulling groups larger than the DPS have the gear for, pulling groups larger than you have the AoE for, pulling groups too large for your healer to heal through. A tank should examine their teammates at the open of the dungeon and pick the appropriate size from there taking his teams gear and composition into account. However, I wouldn't say mass pulling itself is bad just tanks who aren't aware of their surroundings.

[Mercuito]

Tiggy I 100% agree with you but the problem is a lot of tanks aren't aware of their surroundings. They don't care about group composition. They just remember that time that they have a blm that blow everything up and it was fun and fast and since then pulling and not thinking is the main stream now. you sound like a smart tank but there are so many tanks who don't think because a few of you can do it they think they all can

[Mercuito]

but about boring I have to say. it's boring for a lot of dps classes to just spam 3 buttons over and over again. it's boring for the tank to spam one button over and over again the only person this mass pull nonsense is fun for is the healer

[Hulan]

While I don't totally blame the players...SE should develop their game so the apparent best tatic to use isn't "mass pull -> AoE" rinse and repeat

Have you ever wondered why Qarn Hard has locking doors that you need an item to open? Or why in Sastasha Hard has doors that require you to kill all of the monsters in the room to progress, or why Hullbreaker has a big drop after the second boss? Pretty much all of the dungeons after the first set are riddled with mechanics to slow down speed runs and reduce bulk pulling like this.

On the other hand, as a healer, I actually quite like the challenge. I asked my tank to pull all the way from the second boss to the last boss in Toto-rak Hard a while ago. That was quite fun, if one of the more stressful minute in recent memory. It's a question of awareness and intuition. The tank should always be calibrating his or her expectations to the current party.

[MageBlack]

Well, you cant generalize all Tanks with this but yes I have see it too (when I'm not tanking myself). When I tank I keep a steady stream if I can but I don't pull whole rooms at a shot.

[LunahLeih]

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You forgot the tank mass pulling while not giving a single f*ck to protect and 2 dps saying 'first time' (BRD / MNK)

[Mercuito]

Well, you cant generalize all Tanks with this but yes I have see it too (when I'm not tanking myself). When I tank I keep a steady stream if I can but I don't pull whole rooms at a shot.

yes this is true there are some truly brilliant tanks out there that do a great job of protecting the group but about 80% of tanks these days act this way. it's frustrating