Only on a Final Fantasy Forum...

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Well all I know is that of the three MMOs I am following closely at the moment, there is no heated discussion about jumping, or maybe that's because those games already implemented the feature long ago, along with swimming and climbing and a million other things to add to the exploration of the gameworld they designed.

[Abriael]

Well all I know is that of the three MMOs I am following closely at the moment, there is no heated discussion about jumping, or maybe that's because those games already implemented the feature long ago, along with swimming and climbing and a million other things to add to the exploration of the gameworld they designed.

So you're basing your idea of "only on a Final Fantasy forum.." over a whopping three examples (and most probably you just missed the discussions that happened in the past. The more a game has it's basic features cemented, quite obviously, the less those features will be discussed)?

Every statistics teacher in the world would be proud of you.

Funny, by the way, how you seem to assume that a MMORPG featuring Jumping, swimming and even climbing (not to mention "a million of other things to add to the exploration") together, are something even remotely common.

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So you're basing your idea of "only on a Final Fantasy forum.." over a whopping three examples (and most probably you just missed the discussions that happened in the past. The more a game has it's basic features cemented, quite obviously, the less those features will be discussed)?

Every statistics teacher in the world would be proud of you.

Wow, I didn't mean to make you cry practically.

Anyway, from my perspective, the resistance to jumping in Final Fantasy is much greater than anywhere else. I've yet to encounter such behaviour before. It's quite striking.

[Abriael]

Wow, I didn't mean to make you cry practically.

Anyway, from my perspective, the resistance to jumping in Final Fantasy is much greater than anywhere else. I've yet to encounter such behaviour before. It's quite striking.

Making an informed point that counters yours has very little relation with crying.

Maybe you don't visit many beta forums or don't take part in many betas (which is quite comparable to the state FFXIV is in, considering that very few features of the game are set in stone). The discussions on jumping here are nowhere out of the norm.

Also, Final Fantasy is an intellectual property with a little more history than most others, which tends to create more strongly rooted positions about what is appropriate or not to the franchise. If you think this is serious, you must have missed the endless discussions on the most pointless details in the forums dedicated to star trek online, or warhammer online, or DC Universe, or star wars galaxies first and SWTOR now (all IPs that have a history comparable or even deeper than FF). Let's not even get into LOTRO.

Many people seem to think that they can't live unless they cant spam spacebar, many people hate to see those spamming spacebar. The two groups tend to collide. That's all there's to it.

@trinta: lovely signature. I've seen quite a few people around here that are ok with the idea of discussion only when they have no opposition or they're winning it

[gifthorse]

Maybe you don't visit many beta forums or don't take part in many betas (which is quite comparable to the state FFXIV is in, considering that very few features of the game are set in stone). The discussions on jumping here are nowhere out of the norm.

Many people seem to think that they can't live unless they cant spam spacebar, many people hate to see those spamming spacebar. The two groups tend to collide. That's all there's to it.

Even on Age of Conan before the first video was released of a guy jumping, I don't recall such heated discussion about its inclusion or exclusion from the game. Everyone hates bunny hopping. But there's bunny hopping and then there's the implementation of jumping.

[Kimahri]

Well all I know is that of the three MMOs I am following closely at the moment, there is no heated discussion about jumping, or maybe that's because those games already implemented the feature long ago, along with swimming and climbing and a million other things to add to the exploration of the gameworld they designed.

Now I quoted this to point out something. Nothing negative, just some observations. I can totally see how swimming and climbing could potentially be a way to explore some new area's of the world. It can easily go up there with the airships and boats.

What I don't see is how jumping can lead to more exploration? The hell would I be doing, jumping up a wall to the clouds up above where fairies dance? I don't see a practical application for jumping besides a jump to occur automatically when a small hill or short fall is required.

[gifthorse]

Hey guys, I know! Let's all get really upset and miserable and depressed on an internet forum about a video game! Doesn't THAT sound like a great time? WOOHOO!

Pick you up at 8!

Now I quoted this to point out something. Nothing negative, just some observations. I can totally see how swimming and climbing could potentially be a way to explore some new area's of the world. It can easily go up there with the airships and boats.

What I don't see is how jumping can lead to more exploration? The hell would I be doing, jumping up a wall to the clouds up above where fairies dance? I don't see a practical application for jumping besides a jump to occur automatically when a small hill or short fall is required.

Couldn't you say the same thing for every motion?

It's all just as futile when you put it that way.

At least jump adds a sense of accomplishment since you actually have to manually get to the area as opposed to just running along a pre-determined linear path.

[Abriael]

At least jump adds a sense of accomplishment since you actually have to manually get to the area as opposed to just running along a pre-determined linear path.

And since you find that kind of action so satisfying, couldn't you just play a platformer, that has the mechanic implemented better than any MMORPG ever could?
I suggest the old Shinobi for PS2. Believe me, you'll feel a TRUCKTON of accomplishment after finishing it. If you don't break your TV with a brick before getting there.

That instead of demanding the introduction of platforming mechanics in a MMORPG, that normally tend to look extremely awkward, and to frustrate to no end the (many) that don't enjoy that kind of gameplay belonging to another genre?

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And since you find that kind of action so satisfying, couldn't you just play a platformer, that has the mechanic implemented better than any MMORPG ever could?
I suggest the old Shinobi for PS2. Believe me, you'll feel a TRUCKTON of accomplishment after finishing it. If you don't break your TV with a brick before getting there.

That instead of demanding the introduction of platforming mechanics in a MMORPG, that normally tend to look extremely awkward, and to frustrate to no end the (many) that don't enjoy that kind of gameplay belonging to another genre?

I don't play single player games. Anyway, I can't be bothered getting into an argument of definitions about what an MMORPG is, so I'll just point you to the direction of the jumping thread so you can get out of mine.

[Abriael]

I don't play single player games. Anyway, I can't be bothered getting into an argument of definitions about what an MMORPG is, so I'll just point you to the direction of the jumping thread so you can get out of mine.

You're the one that started the thread talking about jumping (the fact that you did that with a false point doesn't really have any bearing on that, not to mention the fact that your attempt to use this thread to promote the idea that jumping should be implemented was veiled in a quite clumsy way, resulting quite evident), so you can't complain if people talk about jumping in "your" thread.
Mind you, you're even less entitled to complain considering that you, yourself, argued for jumping in this same thread in quite a few posts.

So you use the thread (that you say it's not about jumping) to argue about jumping, but others can't? Or maybe arguing FOR jumping is somehow "in topic", while arguing against it is magically "off topic"?

By the way, starting a thread on a discussion forum doesn't make it "yours". The forum doesn't belong to you, including all it's assets, threads started by you as well.
You can't really tell people that disagree with you to "go away".