2.4 SMN Class Issues

[Deliciou5]

Nobody likes Akiza because:

1) Makes factual statements without proof.
2) Jumps from one argument to the next.
3) Constantly makes suggestions that would, pretty much, retcon the entire story and lore of the game.
4) Makes suggestions that would hinder the balance of other jobs, just to make SMN reign supreme.

There's probably more points I can make and quotes I can pull from his history. Seriously though, it's not even worth the effort anymore. Defending him on anything at this point is pretty much a death sentence on your credibility. He has over 600 posts worth of nothing but gibberish, all in English, mostly readable and understandable. Sift though the sea of Akiza's post history if you're that sure he's not being clear.

1. Sometimes yes cannot refute that. However how can anyone prove half of the things people say about this game?
2. Like i said before not really a big deal, just wish akiza would explain each idea a little better with more well thought out posts.
3. Ret-conning happens all the time for all forms of media, ret-conning could easily be just further expounding upon by a preexisting idea to explain the new changes. Akiza ill admit does not respect lore much, but you have to talk about your ideas from a gameplay standpoint before you can fit them in lore more often than not. It's just easier.
4.I need examples or citatations on this one since you see to making a factual statment without proof...see item 1 of your own list.
I do not doubt you, but i rather see an example what you would consider an idea gone too far. Otherwise you are no better honestly.

Am i defending akiza? Maybe a little, but i also criticizing him at the same time. I am just giving akiza the benefit of the doubt, i will explain to him why his ideas might be wrong... as well as support idea in more detail that i agree with. Not really taking sides here just being more objective than most.

Seems opinions are more important to a good portion of people on this forum than discussion.

It's sad you rather talk about people than ideas, you are really derailing the thread yourself at this point considering akiza hasn't even posted in it. Ironic.

Even if most of akiza's posts are jibberish i rather not act like an arsehole just because i think so. Respect is far better than what you spout. I am simply playing devil's advocate here because i seen far too many people bash akiza's unnecessarily, and it's honestly gotta stop. More constructive criticism and less aggressive condescending remarks.

[i2agnarok]

I haven't been on the forums in moooooonths and Akiza is still running rampant?

[Sequora]

Thread officially derailed.

[dday3six]

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O'RLY!?!

Why on just the other page you were insulting intelligence, then I distinctly remember you editing out a few choice buzzword remarks, and getting screen capped in the act rather recently.

[Ardan]

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I wasn't even trying and found this.

This one was free. You can find the rest yourself in his history.

[Deliciou5]

O'RLY!?!

Why on just the other page you were insulting intelligence, then I distinctly remember you editing out a few choice buzzword remarks, and getting screen capped in the act rather recently.

Of course people care more about attacking others instead of discussing anything productive. You can go ahead and revel in how bad you owned me because that is all your worried about. Notice how those screen caps were removed? It's against to rules to do that to anyone, i was tired and dealing with people who more often than not show aggression towards others.

I am a man i can admit to my mistakes. I also regret my decisions and tried to fix things before things got out of hand. However someone took that choice away from me. My point still stands try to show a bit more respect, i have learned from my past mistakes.

I guess no one can ever possibly write anything worthwhile just because they made past mistakes.

How do people learn if we do not make mistakes?

[dday3six]

I also remember people trying to take the choice away from me by posting my original post instead of letting me edit my post immediately because i regretted my decision. Of course people care more about attacking others instead of discussing anything productive. You can go ahead and revel in how bad you owned me because that is all your worried about.

All I'm saying is the pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

[Deliciou5]

All I'm saying is the pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

I know better than anyone how black the pot is and i will gladly tell the kettle he is black because i experienced being that pot. I have enough intelligence to grow and learn from my experiences. Labels do not hold much meaning to me...i will not always be the same person. People change.

I wasn't even trying and found this.

This one was free. You can find the rest yourself in his history.

Both of her ideas on that page is a bit excessive but i do not see why they couldn't have been refined to be more balanced or sensible. Like i said before he/she just throws a bunch of ideas at the wall to see if they stick, he could do better by explaining himself a bit better.

For example the 20 second primal idea could easily be refined to an idea that summons primals for LB instead that sacrifices pet in order to do it. Not only did i use one of his ideas to come up with my own, i show him how his idea could be refined to be more sensible.

Now whether you like my idea or not is entirely opinion based. Just because lore is a certain way now doesn't mean that SE can't come up with new concepts to explain new abilities of how summoners could get new abilities. For example:

Some crazy genius npc could find a brand new corrupted crystal that allows primals to be submissive to summoner, kinda how cid was able to make the airship fly through garuda's storm....or how garuda was essentially defeated by the light warrior's aura after the fight. You don't know if those two concepts that are already established through in game story alone could allow players to control or put a "leash" on primals.

Her other idea on the page about 2 hour abilities for each job was a bit excessive though and needed more thought put into it.

[Ardan]

Exhibit two.

[Deliciou5]

Exhibit two.

You missed the previous point of my last few posts. Good job.

Let me give you the TL: DR version: Not every post is good, not every post is bad. Post all the cherry picked examples you want...no one is always wrong.