Thread: 2.4 SMN Class Issues

Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri

Um what, i'm saying SMN doesn't need a buff.
Phail.

I don't recall anyone asking for direct buffs (outside of the OP), but rather much needed QOL asjustments.

To an extent, the QOL changes would buff summoner damage in itself.

Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri

SMN is fine. Just because DRGs are getting their much needed and over due buff doesn't mean every other job should follow suit. YOU"RE FINE.

Stop with the DRG coming into the SMN thread. We ALL know you need to be fixed, but try playing as a SMN in FCoB. Its just as frustrating if not more so than playing DRG. Running OOM and seeing your DPS drop to levels when compared to the BLM that got buffed in the last tier.

Personally, most of our issues would be remedied by giving SMN a trait that allowed SS to reduce CDs on Aetherflow, Rouse, Spur and Enkindle. If Spell Speed turned into Pet Skill Speed that would be good as well. These changes could be scaled easily and it would give us something we desperately need.

That being said, both sides of the Arcanist; Scholar and Summoner are having scaling issues this tier. While Energy Drain does not scale with damage done (it should).

+1 for OP, great write-up. (Dat derailed thread though...)

The Summmoner should never be as good as BLM purely because of Raise. I do wonder how people get 485 DPS on T10, 450 on T11? That is again very hard to believe. On T10 I limit break and parse around 410-420. No battlevoiced Requiem. On T11 I killed it for the first time yesterday and ended with 380. This was because it was my first kill and second I had a great portion of the game where I couldn't even hit the boss when having the spread for missiles. It will probably be around 400 next time around. I see Kairi is the one making this claim. I have played with you and by no means were you doing vasts amounts of damage more. Sometimes I was even in front of you at the end. You do have quite a bit of pentamelded gear, but to do 60+ DPS more when I have noticed only a minor difference between the two of us with you being slightly better, I find it hard to believe. I also did not know that you were an experienced summoner. I've never seen you on it

Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

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You can ask any of my static members if you want proof. Also, I don't remember you ever doing more in the two or three runs we have played with each other ? Not mentioning names, I was still doing more DPS than people with I130 weapon. But let's not derail this topic with more bragging, shall we ?

Also believe it or not, Summoner was actually my main in Second Coil.

There's also a few reasons why you wouldn't be pulling these numbers. On T10, Are you saving up your buffs for the adds and triple flaring them with Raging Strikes and Ethers ? Are you placing thunder 1 on all four adds ? Are you using swiftcast everytime you get a wild charge ? There's a lot of reasons why you wouldn't be doing better numbers but I don't feel like going into detail since this topic isn't really about that and stuff like that should come naturally anyway depending on player skill.

There is no doubt in my mind that you are a fantastic player but to me it always seemed like you had the edge over me, but by a small margin. So to see you doing 70 DPS more is huge. But you are right, let's not derail and hope the SMN issues get addressed because they need to be. I'll try and record our kills next week and ask you for feedback. Always willing to learn ^^