Ninja damage insane over monk

[SpookyGhost]

I really want to see someone clear T10-13 with 4-5 ninjas....

If you could WAR solo tank any of the turns (you can't solo tank any of the turns in FCoB afaik) and solo heal them, you could bring 6 NINs, have 100% up time on Trick Attack, and never have any of the NINs need to keep up DE. I actually really want to see someone do T9 or something with this setup just to see the numbers with 100% TA up time.

[Leonus]

But there's no reason to use sneak attack once you have trick attack, so it's basically one positional ad a different positional you never use. >_>

In majority of fights, you are correct. However there are some fights that ST will be used for convenience sake.

[Sleigh]

If you could WAR solo tank any of the turns (you can't solo tank any of the turns in FCoB afaik) and solo heal them, you could bring 6 NINs, have 100% up time on Trick Attack, and never have any of the NINs need to keep up DE. I actually really want to see someone do T9 or something with this setup just to see the numbers with 100% TA up time.

Definitely can't solo tank 10, 11, or 13. T12 is in the "possible but not realistic at all" category where you could Provoke with a class to eat the Revelations and otherwise solo tank it, getting heal bombed through Bennus and not participating in the rot mechanic or fountain.

That being said, as fun as 4 NIN sounds and as strong as it sounds at ST DPS, there's too many reasons to bring a caster + BRD too. Square basically forced it on us; Physical resistance, AoE, caster LB, having a mobile mechanic user from BRD ... there's always a very strong reason to bring a caster in each turn. 4 NIN could definitely clear all content but it'd be more total DPS to do caster + BRD + NIN + NIN in all likelihood.

[Eardstapa]

But there's no reason to use sneak attack once you have trick attack, so it's basically one positional ad a different positional you never use. >_>

Kraken says, "Screw your rear attacks."

[Viridiana]

Kraken says, "Screw your rear attacks."

So does Demon Wall, I guess. What? I can't not do the relic quest. >_>

Anyway, I guess Suiton plus SA beats Raiton, assuming you weren't going to do anything else with that second oGCD gap. I still don't even have it on my bar, though. I don't think two ridiculously easy fights out of the whole game warrant putting it on my bar; same way I feel about Tri-disaster.

[Cynric]

So does Demon Wall, I guess. What? I can't not do the relic quest. >_>

Anyway, I guess Suiton plus SA beats Raiton, assuming you weren't going to do anything else with that second oGCD gap. I still don't even have it on my bar, though. I don't think two ridiculously easy fights out of the whole game warrant putting it on my bar; same way I feel about Tri-disaster.

Sneak Attack is better than trick for trash pulls.

but otherwise usually TA will beat SA,even if adds in a boss fight and add is high health TA it. If it's low health might as well just save TA for the boss.

only time SA beats TA is in those very few situations where you wont touch the mobs rear very often.

Both SA and TA are godly in PVP though.

[Butcherboy]

Anyone know the 2.4 stat weight. Is it the same as brd? I know brd is det 0.315 and crit 0.318. I'd just like to know for nin

[Viridiana]

Sneak Attack is better than trick for trash pulls.

but otherwise usually TA will beat SA,even if adds in a boss fight and add is high health TA it. If it's low health might as well just save TA for the boss.

That's. . . a bit more generic than I'm willing to take as completely true. While that's certainly a good rule of thumb, the actual answer is a bit more complicated, I think. Trick Attack is itself worth 400 potency, but requires damage equal to another 1,000 of the Ninja's potency within 10 seconds in order to be more damaging than Sneak Attack. So, it's basically a function of the mob's remaining HP. You probably want the mob to have 2,000 or so of your potency worth of HP left before even considering using. . .well, either of them, really, because that's not a lot of potency. I mean, I'm not exactly used to thinking of mob's HP in terms of potency-damage, so it's hard to say where I'd put a cutoff. Basically, I figure the mob needs enough HP left for you to bother using either, then for TA to be better it needs to have enough HP left after *that* for incoming damage over the next 10 seconds (not counting existing dots, which I assume don't get buffed) to make up the difference in potency. Granted, the Ninja himself should be able to cover the difference, but to decide when to use which you need to know how much HP that is.

What's interesting, though, is that a Ninja who's undergeared compared to the rest of his team has an easier time justifying TA. The incoming damage from the rest of the team over the 10 seconds needs to equal 10 uncombo'd Gust Slashes (10x100 potency). The weaker the Ninja is, the easier that is to meet and surpass. Doesn't really change anything, but I thought I'd point it out.

[Cynric]

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I didn't feel like giving a long winded answer that can be summed up in a few words for once.

High HP = TA
Low = SA
Boss = TA unless forced to front.


There's really no need to over complicate this.

[Velhart]

Anyone know the 2.4 stat weight. Is it the same as brd? I know brd is det 0.315 and crit 0.318. I'd just like to know for nin

Always been wondering myself. Surprised people don't have test results yet. For now I have been doing Det > Crit > SS. I have gear that can make it go Crit > Det > SS instead, but when I tested it myself, the Crit setup felt more based on luck when dealing damage while Det was more consistent. It was observation though and not actual math, so hopefully someone comes in with actual results.