Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Lucael_Shikaree]

EasyModeX: "From what I hear the only difference in DRG mechanics since then and now are that jumps have a lower cooldown. That would reduce the value of SS slightly (like 0.05?) and increase the value of CRT extremely slightly (like 0.01?), maybe".
EasyModeX/2: "Speaking of which, with DET and CRT so close, that means CRT has a high item budget value (det weight * 20 versus crt weight * 29).
DET 6.59
CRT 6.78
This means you could probably itemize a little bit focused on crit to improve DPS. The two stats have close parity at this gear level and itemization, apparently".

[pompey_dan]

I gave him two sets matching the accuracy cap 558, the one needed to cap frontal accuracy in T13, according to my sources.
I posted a first set with 564 accuracy

Weapon Damage: 58
Strenght: 663 (+388) My race, Mi'qote Seeker of the Sun has a bonus of +4 in comparison to the lowest strenght race (Lalafells)
Critical Hit Rate: 490 (+149)
Determination: 361 (+159)
Skill Speed: 363 (+22)

And this, with 557 accuracy:

Weapon Damage: 58
Strenght: 663 (+388)
Critical Hit Rate: 476 (+134)
Determination: 376 (+174)
Skill Speed: 363 (+22)

why would you want to use the frontal accuracy cap for t13 lol ? side acc is 535, havent tried any lower

[ChaozK]

EasyModeX/2: "Speaking of which, with DET and CRT so close, that means CRT has a high item budget value (det weight * 20 versus crt weight * 29).
DET 6.59
CRT 6.78
This means you could probably itemize a little bit focused on crit to improve DPS. The two stats have close parity at this gear level and itemization, apparently".

I dont really get why crit is so much better now than before (DET 0.325 -> 0.329 / CRIT 0.204 -> 0.234), which would swap DRGs main stat from det to crit. Is it because the new sets have more det on average than the old ones?

[ColdestHeaven]

I dont really get why crit is so much better now than before (DET 0.325 -> 0.329 / CRIT 0.204 -> 0.234), which would swap DRGs main stat from det to crit. Is it because the new sets have more det on average than the old ones?

I think he meant that "since the gap between Det and Crit is smaller than before", and "we find more amounts of Crit on gear rather than Det anyway", it would not really be an issue if "dragoons swapped a couple of pieces to increase Crit rather than just focus on smaller amounts of Det". He did not state that Crit > Det, if I read that correctly. Also, good job for contacting EMX - I was actually wondering if there was any chance of him checking the values post-patch.

[SunnyHirose]

why would you want to use the frontal accuracy cap for t13 lol ? side acc is 535, havent tried any lower

I have used a stochastic model* on that 540 acc / Black Truffle set that many of us have guessed at:

Weapon Damage: 58
Strength: 664 (+388) <- Sea Wolf
Critical Hit Rate: 501 (+160)
Determination: 410 (+208)
Skill Speed: 341 (+0)

and arrived at these stat weights:

WD 9.363
STR 1.000
DET 0.330
CRT 0.218
SS 0.132

His stated methodology is more thorough than what I did, so there is probably a lot more consideration and accuracy in what he shared. But as you can see, the results aren't that different anyway (they do not change the BiS set you get). It probably tickles the bottom of someone's DRG heart to see skill speed so devalued, though!

The big question with so little skill speed on this set (none at all) is keeping Heavy Thrust up for Heavy Thrust itself; it will fall off right as you reapply it, and the slightest delay will cause a potency loss on Heavy Thrust. So just play perfectly. Then there will be no problems, right?

* xiv-sim, but with a few tweaks including 2.4 updates and using EMX's damage formula.

EDIT: This method well and truly doesn't properly reflect how skill speed scales. Fixing that seems doable, but don't use these unless you seriously dislike skill speed.

[Daweism]

450 DPS on tonights T10 kill!

[Ullie]

Goodday,

I am in need of some pointers, although I use the rotation, slightly changed it in the first post I never seem to be able to go past the 400 dps. I am even struggling to get to 360 to be honest on T10. So what am I missing that u all seem to understand? What kind of input system do u use? I am on PC and use the conventional keyboard. Yes I spam buttons. I tried a G13 keyboard and that seems to not give that additional dps that I need to perform better regarding dps in t10.
my gear is atm set to t111 and am holding back on buying gear for drg since I not seem to do any better.

I use HQ buttons in blanket and now and then I use potions but still I see no major difference. On a dummy I can reach to 420 with raid gear (506acc). Any pointers would be welcome! Thx in advance

[Daweism]

Goodday,

I am in need of some pointers, although I use the rotation, slightly changed it in the first post I never seem to be able to go past the 400 dps. I am even struggling to get to 360 to be honest on T10. So what am I missing that u all seem to understand? What kind of input system do u use? I am on PC and use the conventional keyboard. Yes I spam buttons. I tried a G13 keyboard and that seems to not give that additional dps that I need to perform better regarding dps in t10.
my gear is atm set to t111 and am holding back on buying gear for drg since I not seem to do any better.

I use HQ buttons in blanket and now and then I use potions but still I see no major difference. On a dummy I can reach to 420 with raid gear (506acc). Any pointers would be welcome! Thx in advance

Upload a video of ur T10 and dummy and I will do my best to break it down for u.

[Aeromat]

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I like to believe maximizing dot usage is key in keeping up dps. For instance, in t10 I try to Dis/CT the daughter, then Dis/CT/Phleb the son since the party is usually focusing on the daughter first anyway, which gives time for dots to tick on both (more so on the son), then continue w/ FT combo and keeping up HT.

If theres adds in a boss I usually throw in Dragonfire Dive if its not on CD. Locking on a target helps just don't be loldrg about it. Also learn timings/mechanics of each fight to see how you can max. your dps. What gear do you have on? I'd like to see on Lodestone but you're on WAR.

[TheKingSlayer]

I find that prepping skills help. One thing you could do is prep a HT and Impulse Drive while he is doing his electrocharge before the adds come out. Then move to daughter put up Dis switch to Son put on CT + Phelb, then go back to daughter and do FT rotation. While you're DPSing down the daughter the CT and Phleb are ticking. If you had put both CT and Phleb on daughter it would have died too quickly and you wouldnt have gotten full use of the ticks, thus a waste of dps. Im not saying this will get you to 400 dps, but things like this will help.

BTW Im by no means a top 1% drg, but I was easily doing 460-470 (no food or pots) on a dummy over 3 mins at 109 with HA spear. If you are only doing 420 at i111 you may want to look at your priority system again (notice I didn't say rotation).