2.41 patch, Ninja nerf for the Ninjas and Dungeons.

[Tonkra]

Ninja should be nerfed, at least in Frontlines.

Ninja is the LEAST class which i really bother about in PVP..

i dont know what should be so "overpowered" about ninjas.

As a blm i need about 4 spells to kill them.. i just can sleep, slow them.. and thats about them.
Magic shield grunts me an instant "stoneskin" against magic damage like raiton.


For me as a caster Bards are much more of a danger than Ninjas are.. (instant ranged attacks that rupt)
i myself think ninja is incredibly weak if you ask me^


I remember Dark Age of Camelot where assassins ripped off about 60% HP with one single stealth attack.. that was the trade of for just wearing leather and having low HP. in FFXIV the stealth attack steels me just around 15-20% HP wohoo..
and the fire AEO of Ninja is completely gimped as well, especially if you have that long recast time in mind.. i dont think ninjas need a nerf. they should be glass canons. right now they are more glass than canons if you ask me.

Raiton is the main issue

Raiton does not make much more damage as the third skill of a melee skill chain.

Plus you have to have in mind, that raiton has a long reuse time.. and you need to perform 3 clicks in a row which takes about 2 s..
as a blm i do definatley more damage with one fire spell that has about 3 s cast time and no re-use timer.

Raiton has to make more damage than one single melee attack skill to be even worth to cast it..

if you lower the damage and range it is almost as useless as shuriken and the fire aeo.

the fire aeo is just usefull when you want to hit about 4-5 enemies at the same time. but the damage itself is laughable.


just to show you how an assassin in Dark Age of Camelot used to be, damage wise:
DAOC Nightshade PVP - Youtbe

[Nalien]

if you lower the damage and range it is almost as useless as shuriken and the fire aeo.

320 potency and 5y range is perfectly useful for a cooldown skill which I can easily fit between GCDs... Fuma Shuriken is the only worthless Ninjutsu in practically every situation, any time you could use it, you're better off using Raiton solely because Raiton has such range on it. Huton and Suiton have obvious uses. Doton and Katon are for AoE situations. Hyoton was practically tailored for PvP escapes.

Raiton is simply overpowered with its current range/potency. One or both have to go. It is especially prominent in PvP, where double Raiton is nearly lethal, and where anyone trying to run away on moderate health can suddenly find themselves dead BECAUSE Raiton is so potent and ranged.

If they make any change to Ninja, it should be knocking Raiton down a peg.

As far as PvE goes, Ninja is still pretty overpowered in my opinion. A proper Ninjutsu rotation (not just Raiton spam) outclasses most every other Jobs cooldown rotations, and its GCD and DoT damage is superior as well. There is a reason I'm always dying on Ninja; it's because I'm always pulling hate purely from how much damage I'm dealing. Ninja is by far my favorite Job in this game, but I'm under no illusions that it isn't overpowered, the only aspect of it which isn't overtuned compared to other Jobs is its survivability. Same HP/Def/M.Def and Monk, but all it has is Perfect Dodge (which is very situational useful, like Cyclops Swing attacks, but mostly useless) and Second Wind. Monk and Dragoon have stronger Second Wind, extra survivability skills and Bloodbath.

[Tonkra]

If they make any change to Ninja, it should be knocking Raiton down a peg.

As i said.. even for me as a blm the raiton dmg is laughable.. smn, blm can do much more dmg with one single skill and not having that high reusetimer as well. and for ninja fitting the highest melee damage role (that of a rogue/assassin).. it should come close to that damage potency.

im quiet sure people would shout for a blm nerf if it was a new class.

and katon seems very useless in pvp also. i mean around 140 dmg on each person for having 20 second reuse timer.. this does not hurt anyone at all XD
maybe i see an issue with kassatsu for resetting the ninjutsu timer.. but thats about it actually.

[Nalien]

im quiet sure people would shout for a blm nerf if it was a new class.

Not in PvP. I'd actually call Black Mage the weakest Job in PvP at the moment.

The simple fact is that Raiton should not have its range and potency though. There isn't a situation in the game where I'd use Fuma Shuriken, solely because Raiton has more than enough range. Every Ninjutsu has its use (Katon in PvE, not PvP, although even in PvP it's great for finishing off people after a mage LB) except Fuma Shuriken.

It's obvious use is that it's there for when you're too far from an enemy, however you can almost certainly just use Raiton instead. Remove Raitons unjust range and Fuma Shuriken has a purpose, and Ninja is slightly nerfed in PvP.