Medica II abuse needs to stop

[Lyrinn]

Is that real hard to right click ur medica 2 buff on ur tank OP? Pretty sure spending 1s of doin it is too long for u to made this thread eh?

Who said I was the tank? Do you think it's any more fun as melee DPS when the boss is running around chasing a derp WHM? And again, just because a "good" tank can overcome the problem, does it mean the problem doesn't exist? A good healer can keep derp DPS who sit in AoEs up, I guess they're allowed to do so? It's the same line of logic.

In any case, I'm done with this thread and these forums. I have no desire to develop cancer.

[Odd]

Is that real hard to right click ur medica 2 buff on ur tank OP? Pretty sure spending 1s of doin it is too long for u to made this thread eh?

If you're playing with a controller, while not hard, it's a tedious pain in the ass. We're talking 5-8 clicks to get there. Doing this before every pull will slow the run down quite a bit.

[SulwynCaliope]

I agree, but we're talking about WHMs that choose to generate stupid amounts of unnecessary enmity for absolutely no reason at all, enmity control is something healers need to learn also.

It all boils down to this. Enmity control isn't JUST the tank's job. It's the responsibility of the whole party. This includes healers not casting unnecessary heals before the fight has even begun. It's a bad habit to develop. Imagine if a WHM did this in Twintania and either one of the tanks forgot to click off the regen buff. The adds/ twinny would eat the WHM before anyone would have time to blink.

[Yumi_umi]

Snip.

Wait has anyone ever considered using SS after a tank grabs the said mob using a tank combo/ skill?
It\\'ll go off CD before u hit 50-70% mp anyways so no biggy.
The skill tht drops emnity? You know, the skill that reduces emnity by half?
You know the colour system
-red
-orange
-yellow
-green
-nothing
So if ur at red then most likely u\\'ll drop to yellow then go back up to orange ( ticks ) but most likely will stay at orange and slowly drop if u use stoneskin and a few cures here and there while SS ticks.
Emnity control isn\\'t just the tank\\'s job as some dps use quelling strikes or something and us whm has access to sheoud of saints.
So much non thinking is occuring here, i wonder how u guys even whm when u post things about wtfwhm lol.
Also yes the recast time is 120s = 2 mins. Ur mp/ emnity should still be healthy by then.

[Cynfael]

Wait has anyone ever considered using SS after a tank grabs the said mob using a tank combo/ skill?
It\\'ll go off CD before u hit 50-70% mp anyways so no biggy.
The skill tht drops emnity? You know, the skill that reduces emnity by half?...

So if ur at red then most likely u\\'ll drop to yellow then go back up to orange ( ticks ) but most likely will stay at orange and slowly drop if u use stoneskin and a few cures here and there while SS ticks.
Emnity control isn\\'t just the tank\\'s job as some dps use quelling strikes or something and us whm has access to sheoud of saints.

Shroud "ticks" are only for MP restoration on the caster; the only enmity reduction occurs when the skill is first activated. It's a pure aggro dump.

Hence it is a horrible, horrible waste to blow it at the start of a pull. Even if you did a bad thing like cast Medica II or Regen immediately prior to a pull or a fresh add phase, you really don't have that much aggro built up; the tank will have no problem grabbing the mobs assuming he/she doesn't have to chase them all over the screen because of your mistake. Casting Shroud immediately will not fix this problem, and once the tank has actually hit the mobs, you won't need to Shroud, anyway.

TL;DR: Shroud is not Quelling Strikes. Don't use it as if it were.

[Hopecord]

that habit is brought to Eorzea by hunt parties.

IT'S THE HUNTS I TELL YOU! IT'S THE HUNTS!

*casting medica II for the 69th time in 6 sec*

[PWilson]

I used to main WHM, now I main PLD.

You're nuts, OP. The absolute last thing I'm worried about is the pithy bit of aggro from Medica 2 from the WHM. Are you straight out tripping balls?

I've got bigger things to worry about. I've got a BLM furiously increasing hate on EVERY mob, and a Ninja spiking up the hate incredibly on ONE PARTICULAR mob, and I have to somehow get overtop of it all. Medica 2? Bahahahahaha, whatever! Did you cast that? I didn't notice!

[Cynfael]

I used to main WHM, now I main PLD.

You're nuts, OP. The absolute last thing I'm worried about is the pithy bit of aggro from Medica 2 from the WHM. Are you straight out tripping balls?

I've got bigger things to worry about. I've got a BLM furiously increasing hate on EVERY mob, and a Ninja spiking up the hate incredibly on ONE PARTICULAR mob, and I have to somehow get overtop of it all. Medica 2? Bahahahahaha, whatever! Did you cast that? I didn't notice!

Missing the point a little. It's not about the actual amount of enmity generated as much as it is about the potential for disorganization caused by a healer pulling aggro on entire pulls by running HoTs on the tank before they can tag everything. The effect is usually negligible or irrelevant on single boss pulls and on tightly clumped adds that are quickly Overpowered or Flashed, but it can be an issue otherwise.

Besides, it's worth discussing just to discourage people from such sloppy play. Regardless of whether or not the tank clicks off their HoTs when they should, it's just poor form to use Medica II as if it were some kind of damage shield (*cough* Succor).

[Lemage]

I'm sorry OP but when a tank is annoying, slow, or just stuck up and rude, I'll precast Medica 2 and Regen, pull threat off them, spam holy, and /slap them until they either get their act together or quit being rude. The medica 2 abuse is useful in some situations

[Scholar-]

Divine seal - medica 2 - regen -clericstance holy spam. Thank you.