Ninja damage insane over monk

[Empressia]

one question about stat for the ninja :
because of the skillspeed buff, what would be better
gear it with crit, deter advoid skillspeed or try to get a lot of skillspeed anyway ?

i would prefer det crit as usual unless someone figured an optimal rotation with sks and crit

[SolarMisae]

If any DPS is completely boned by NIN, it's DRG and if you would like to see proof you can head over to the Rotation Reborn thread to check out all the crying. No amount of time will change the disparities between NIN and DRG. NIN vs MNK is just w/e because having both gives you more raid utility (still don't get why people stopped using SMNs in early progression but that's a discussion for another time).

This is pretty much my only gripe. I've swapped over to ninja (much to my dismay after spending million on nexus for my drg...) and it's definitely stronger, at least dpswise not counting their utility. At i105 (my left side has a lot of i100 and an i90 piece) over a 5:30min parse (basically till I ran dry on tp, I mucked up my invigorate timing too so it could have gone longer) I pulled 425 on my best run on ninja. At the same ilvl my DRG (and I'd like to think I'm good with drg) couldn't do that.

Plus the 10% buff to your whole party every 60sec and goad for your other melee/tanks seems to good compared to disembowel which is said to only be better if you have two strong bards. I don't have any numbers that support NIN is better than DRG but everyone seems to think it is.

[Maero]

Well heres to hoping 3.0 dragoon will have a huge increase in damage

[SolarMisae]

Well heres to hoping 3.0 dragoon will have a huge increase in damage

Dragoon needs something sooner than 3.0. I want something by 2.45 or 2.48 at the latest. They made it so useless compared to ninja...our crappy m.def hurts so bad in the new coils and our damage just doesn't compare.

[Danbo05]

I'm sure everything will be balanced out by 3.0, with the new skills and traits that will be added from lv50-60.

[Sequora]

I'm sure everything will be balanced out by 3.0, with the new skills and traits that will be added from lv50-60.

I mean NIN will also be getting new skills from 50-60. I am hoping for some revamping to unused skills.

[Kadas]

I'm sure everything will be balanced out by 3.0, with the new skills and traits that will be added from lv50-60.

It's alright, you only have to wait 6 months for that to happen.

That is nothing, right? right?

hmm.

[Maero]

Dragoon needs something sooner than 3.0. I want something by 2.45 or 2.48 at the latest. They made it so useless compared to ninja...our crappy m.def hurts so bad in the new coils and our damage just doesn't compare.

Yeah and some have argued drg does most St damage. I just think that to be false.
I played dragoon as well and can definately tell the dmg difference that NIN brings. Something for sure needs to be changed, just watch Monks then complaining that they need a buff..... lol

[TheWaywardWind]

People are overreacting, which happens every time a new class is released.

And sure enough, the complaint comes from a Monk.
People are seriously overrating Ninjas. They're not here to steal your precious 1st DPS spot, so calm down a little bit.
People with extensive parsing tests have proven again and again that Ninja does not surpass Monk in terms of total DPS. Even with perfect rotation, Ninjas still fall short. Granted, you could argue Monks have a bit of a harder time what with GL and positionals, but if you want to be the best at something, you're not going to get it from pressing 1-2-3,1-2-3,1-2-3.

When I play as both Monk and Ninja, I seriously have to focus. They're both two jobs where you can't be like a BLM or SMN and say, "brb, tuning out for a sec" while you mash fire or keep your DOTs up. You need to watch, position, and react accordingly. You need to use some skills as soon as they're available and use them as they are available or you're wasting precious DPS.

No, positionals are not harder than Mudra, and vice versa. Moving two feet to the left is not mind-numbingly difficult, and neither is pressing a button in the right order. TBH, both Ninjas AND Monks overrate how difficult their jobs are. They aren't. Period.

[Empressia]

LOL at peeps still believing MNKs are difficult jobs, its the easiest of all melee class.