Ninja damage insane over monk

[SongJoohee]

Finished leveling my NIN yesterday, some gripes I've got from a MNK PoV:

- Far superior sustained AoE from Doton + enhanced Death Blossom (IB4 AoE doesn't matter at all in this game, yadadee yadadoo)
- High burst and lower ramp up time than MNK, Huton can be buffed pre-fight and dots applied within 3 GCDs after pull, if you got a Warrior you can also skip applying slash debuff
- Almost no position requirements, but their rotation is complex enough to forgive this one
- Sustained single target very close to MNK, probably higher when mechanics force MNK to drop GL
- Knife Throw (rarely Fuma Shuriken) as ranged damage options when forced out of melee or kiting.

Couldn't of said it better myself. Already has incredibly high DPS on it's own, add in the DPS it's boosting other players, lack of positioning, decent AOE and no risk of losing GL3, I can only suspect it will get nerfed... Or everyone else will be buffed.

[Firepower]

I think the biggest advantage ninja is holding over the other melee DPS at the moment is not its DPS but the fact it's run speed is faster making it a far more obvious choice for raid fights simply because its much easier to avoid all the AOE's. Things like titan's bombs, plumes and landslides can sometimes be a nightmare if you are not paying attention but as ninja you have easily a bit more reaction time.

[Ephier]

I think the biggest advantage ninja is holding over the other melee DPS at the moment is not its DPS but the fact it's run speed is faster making it a far more obvious choice for raid fights simply because its much easier to avoid all the AOE's. Things like titan's bombs, plumes and landslides can sometimes be a nightmare if you are not paying attention but as ninja you have easily a bit more reaction time.

They have one gap closer on a 60 second cool down.

Monk gap closer has a 30 second cooldown.

Dragoon has 2 real gap closers with a 60 and 120 second cooldown and a pseudo gap closer in elusive jump on a 180 second cd.

If you were having trouble dodging on monk and dragoon, ninja movement speed will not save you.

[Leonus]

They have one gap closer on a 60 second cool down.

Monk gap closer has a 30 second cooldown.

Dragoon has 2 real gap closers with a 60 and 120 second cooldown and a pseudo gap closer in elusive jump on a 180 second cd.

If you were having trouble dodging on monk and dragoon, ninja movement speed will not save you.

Real Talk, true story.

[Atreides]

I think the nerf screamer should actually play ninja to see how it's not just ololol no positioning DPS, Ninja is quite difficult to play perfectly because it requires way more attention and you can screw things up easily.
If you just look at rogue, yes it does look easy indeed.

[Xheh]

A monk can silence, stun, and make heals more affective on all party members around them. Wouldn't that give them just as much utility as a ninja?

[alsims2007]

Ninja doesn't really need a nerf. In boss fights it still doesnt match a monk. A ninja will be top in fates and dungeons. Fates because positionals dont matter. If a monk has aggro he will lose aggro to a ninja due to the terrible potency from missing every positional with the occasional 1 or 2 from stunning. Dungeons due to next to no ramp up time. A monk isnt using PB on random trash mobs so it will slow the dungeon as he loses gl3 and builds it back up between every mob pull.
Monks get an extra 22% damage over ninjas and they may had closed the gap but monk is still top single target dps

[Sigiria]

The only advantage I see to the nin over the mnk is the fact he can go straight to the 20% skillspeed bonus, which is useful only when the boss jump a lot. After doing some testing Nin dps is really close to mnk dps, it might look really poweful due to the big numbers but it's actually not that much when you see just how isane is the auto attack damages of a monk over a long fight.

Monk will take advantage when it can keep up GL3, Ninja will take advantage when the boss move around a lot. Pretty balanced, the only thing that will actually make a difference is as always the player's ability to play his job. I'll always take a DRG that know how to play his job over a NIN or MNK that think he is the best dps around when he can barely take the enmity over a SMN.

Game allow you to do every instances with a balanced setup, and that's actually cool.

[kensatsu]

one question about stat for the ninja :
because of the skillspeed buff, what would be better
gear it with crit, deter advoid skillspeed or try to get a lot of skillspeed anyway ?

[SpookyGhost]

People are really overreacting to it. All the unnecessary attention is gonna get it an unwarranted nerf.

Give it some time before people call it broken.

So, I sort of agree with this but I also sort of disagree. FFXIV is not a fighting game, a MOBA, etc. where the meta shifts constantly and anything seen as "OP" can be beaten by better strategies. FFXIV is a cookie cutter MMO, it is intentionally really simple and therefore it's really easy to see what jobs have advantages over other jobs. I do think people are overreacting a bit, though - because while NIN brings different utility than MNK, it doesn't bring the same utility and both job's utility is useful in any raid scenario. Meanwhile, DRG only buffs BRD which only matters if you have 2x BRD in your party because otherwise you'd be better off with a MNK (GL3 sustain dependent). DRG's positionals are also massively more important than MNK's, which for some reason everyone tends to overlook - if you miss a HT or ID you have completely botched your rotation and need to start fixing it or completely starting over and losing a lot of DPS. MNKs, meanwhile, just do a bit less damage if they happen to miss a positional and of course NINs only have 1 positional.

If any DPS is completely boned by NIN, it's DRG and if you would like to see proof you can head over to the Rotation Reborn thread to check out all the crying. No amount of time will change the disparities between NIN and DRG. NIN vs MNK is just w/e because having both gives you more raid utility (still don't get why people stopped using SMNs in early progression but that's a discussion for another time).