Missed ONE >>1<< Duty Finder commence, and now I have 30 minutes penalty.

[Giantbane]

The fact is the current penalty system for withdrawing or not hitting commence is lazy and was not thought out very well. Here's an idea instead of the new penalize everyone, they hide the in progress bar, make in progress work as in if you check in progress you get in progress or take it out completely. There is no need for them to do what they did when all they had to do was fix the current system. I just gave 3 options that would have worked better than this pile of steaming crap they gave us.

What would be amazing is if the queue system would attempt to keep everyone together and just tried to find replacements for anyone that withdrew from the queue. If it is able to find replacements then those who already clicked "commence" should no longer be required to click it again. Only break up the whole group if there are no replacements available. You'd think that would cut down on a ton of issues. I mean, what's the biggest problem when someone else withdraws? The fact you have to click commence over and over and over again (still happens with ST, it happens less, but it still happens).

[Elim]

To stop collective pooling of strikes, as explained before.

Here's the thing. To stop that they could simply make it so if you withdraw in a party YOU automatically get a 30 minute penalty...or something along those lines. Basically withdrawing in parties could result in a much harsher personal penalty. There is no need to penalize the entire party.

The main reason I'm against party-wide penalties is that it DISCOURAGES play with strangers. You wont always be the party leader when you PUG so you can't be in control of when the lead puts the party in DF. If the leads a nub or simply uninformed he may not know to party check or ask if everyone is there. You can always tell the leader when you join, but some people will get mad at you. They'll think you assumed they're new or whatever. Anyway, new features should never discourage party play.

[Giantbane]

Here's the thing. To stop that they could simply make it so if you withdraw in a party YOU automatically get a 30 minute penalty...or something along those lines. Basically withdrawing in parties could result in a much harsher personal penalty. There is no need to penalize the entire party.

Except what on earth for. A group withdrawing from the queue is no worse than an individual that withdraws. When you have 3/3, 6/6, 14/15 and the last DPS times out of an ST queue it's just as bad as if a full group withdrew.

[Fellisin]

But how would collective pooling happen? The party leader would have to be A. One of the trolls (which then you can just leave the party without a penalty) or B. be so stupid they would invite the troll's friend when asked. You are assuming every player in the game is dumb as a rock.

No I'm not. I already explained before, if you cannot be bothered to actually read what's point of trying explain fir a third time.

[Rysir]

No I'm not. I already explained before, if you cannot be bothered to actually read what's point of trying explain fir a third time.

If you think someone is going to join a party and then sit around while everyone around them withdraws then yes you are assuming people are stupid.

[Elim]

Except what on earth for. A group withdrawing from the queue is no worse than an individual that withdraws. When you have 3/3, 6/6, 14/15 and the last DPS times out of an ST queue it's just as bad as if a full group withdrew.

Not exactly sure what you're getting at. Penalizing the afk guy is a lot more fair than the entire group. As I said, group wide penalties discourages play with strangers.

My idea is just an idea. There's a million more ways they could have gone about it. Including giving the party lead the penalty instead of the group, since he's the one who went ahead and put people in when they weren't ready.

[Fellisin]

If you think someone is going to join a party and then sit around while everyone around them withdraws then yes you are assuming people are stupid.

No I'm not, because that not what I was saying AT all.

[Sapphic]

If you think someone is going to join a party and then sit around while everyone around them withdraws then yes you are assuming people are stupid.

News update:

People are stupid ^^

[Rysir]

No I'm not, because that not what I was saying AT all.

Then what about that collective pooling crap you were on about that makes singular strikes oh so awful?

[Giantbane]

Not exactly sure what you're getting at. Penalizing the afk guy is a lot more fair than the entire group. As I said, group wide penalties discourages play with strangers.

My idea is just an idea. There's a million more ways they could have gone about it. Including giving the party lead the penalty instead of the group, since he's the one who went ahead and put people in when they weren't ready.

I'm sorry, I mean if an individual withdraws from a group, I don't believe that you need to give the individual a harsher penalty than if they withdrew from an individual because it's not any worse in terms of people having to wait around.

But I do agree with you that giving the whole party a strike does discourage group play with strangers, which is not good for the game. Only the person that hit withdraw should get a penalty, whatever that penalty happens to be.