Lock out is to heavy handed

[Souljacker]

This leads to a follow up question. Will there be a "are you ready" check to enter at all? If yes, then you've solved nothing with this as that player could just idle off or drop at that point. If it just drops the character in, allow me to suggest an issue with your design.

You can suggest issues all you want - but it's not *my* design - it's the design of every other mmo queue on the planet. I never said a thing about dropping a player into a queue without warning. You still click the accept button when your queue pops, you just don't know what you are going into (x bosses killed) because the queue is truly randomized and just filters you as slots open. Voila - no more ability to fish for in-progress runs and no one needed to be penalized, ever. Really, these concepts aren't all that difficult. I don't understand why some of you are being so willfully obtuse.

Okay, I have to ask, honestly, how are you getting three strikes in 90 minutes?

I'm not. I'm suggesting that overall, this was the incorrect way to address the issue. Instead of making people paranoid that they might miss a queue - fix the queue. That's what I've said from the beginning.

[Teryaani]

I never said a thing about dropping a player into a queue without warning.

Which is why I asked the question. That's what you do when you want clarification on things.

You still click the accept button when your queue pops, you just don't know what you are going into (x bosses killed) because the queue is truly randomized and just filters you as slots open. Voila - no more ability to fish for in-progress runs and no one needed to be penalized, ever.

This won't fix the troll factor or the folks who seem to queue and run off to the restroom incessantly. I'm also going to call an increase in abandoned duties now if this were implemented. The duty in progress feature has a purpose(s) that doesn't involve fishing and I'd like that to stay.

Really, these concepts aren't all that difficult. I don't understand why some of you are being so willfully obtuse.

So we've shifted from being toxic to just being clueless? That's a good change I guess. Some day we may just be dissenting fellow humans. I can dream right?

I'm not. I'm suggesting that overall, this was the incorrect way to address the issue. Instead of making people paranoid that they might miss a queue - fix the queue. That's what I've said from the beginning.

So you're being made paranoid about a penalty that you have never and likely will never be affected by and the bulk of the players will never be affected by and is designed to make a QoL improvement for the player base? Judging by the reactions I'm seeing both here and in game, it's been largely a positive move. Once they fix the party penalty, I suspect it will be even more so.

[MomomiMomi]

You can suggest issues all you want - but it's not *my* design - it's the design of every other mmo queue on the planet. I never said a thing about dropping a player into a queue without warning. You still click the accept button when your queue pops, you just don't know what you are going into (x bosses killed) because the queue is truly randomized and just filters you as slots open. Voila - no more ability to fish for in-progress runs and no one needed to be penalized, ever. Really, these concepts aren't all that difficult. I don't understand why some of you are being so willfully obtuse.

So please tell me, what does a person do when they don't want to wait an hour just to get into a run that's at the last boss? If you're looking for exp, this is essentially a huge waste of time.

[Souljacker]

So please tell me, what does a person do when they don't want to wait an hour just to get into a run that's at the last boss? If you're looking for exp, this is essentially a huge waste of time.

You queue for the highest dungeon your level bracket allows by itself. When you are running the random queue you are really only trying to get the bonus anyway, right?

That's basically how I leveled all my classes. Why would you want to continue to use the random queue to level when you could be put in a Satasha at level 40, where you won't even get level appropriate drops?

The only reason I ever use that checkbox is to help people in my Linkshells finish instances and I like the ability to do that. If it can be used solo to run the daily roulettes more quickly, then I can see it's value there as well. It's a feature I like in the game. As I said before, I think if you did the free-for-all randoms, you'd see an increase of withdraw/abandons.

Do you not realize that you have now basically lost the ability to do that?

[Teryaani]

Do you not realize that you have now basically lost the ability to do that?

No, I haven't. I can still queue party in progress for that specific duty. Only once have I not ended up in their instance and I did what I will continue to do, apologize to the folks in the LS and complete the instance I got.

[Souljacker]

No, I haven't. I can still queue party in progress for that specific duty. Only once have I not ended up in their instance and I did what I will continue to do, apologize to the folks in the LS and complete the instance I got.

You aren't guaranteed an in progress run just because you checked the box. You might eat a penalty or two before getting the correct dungeon. I've used the in progress feature as well to help friends, and popular (storyline\log\etc) dungeons that are queued for individually frequently can be prioritized weirdly. I've had to withdraw a time or two before getting the right queue in the past. It might not be as simple as you imagine it to be anymore.

[Teryaani]

You aren't guaranteed an in progress run just because you checked the box. You might eat a penalty or two before getting the correct dungeon. I've used the in progress feature as well to help friends, and popular (storyline\log\etc) dungeons that are queued for individually frequently can be prioritized weirdly. I've had to withdraw a time or two before getting the right queue in the past. It might not be as simple as you imagine it to be anymore.

That's true, you're not. That said, and this is just conjecture, I suspect that, for most situations, the duty finder prioritizes parties in progress higher when deciding where to put the new player. So when the healer rage quits from Cutter's Cry, odds are good that when I switch to WHM and queue as party in progress for Cutter's Cry, I'm going to get a party in progress. Maybe not the exact one I want, but I should get one.

[MomomiMomi]

You queue for the highest dungeon your level bracket allows by itself. When you are running the random queue you are really only trying to get the bonus anyway, right?

That's basically how I leveled all my classes. Why would you want to continue to use the random queue to level when you could be put in a Satasha at level 40, where you won't even get level appropriate drops?

Actually when I queue for roulette when I'm leveling a job, I go for a full run. Why would I want to wait so long just to only get the bonus at the end?

And what about runs like ST? There's no roulette option there. Should we put into a run completely randomly? What if I want drops from the first boss? I should just accept a run that has already beaten it?