Lock out is to heavy handed

[Akira_Tenshi]

I had to withdraw 3 times yesterday. I was leveling Ninja and kept getting stuck in combat chased across half the zone before it would allow me to change jobs to accept. You also can't accept the queue in a cutscene. It's like they just expect us to sit and wait, for 2-3 hours. I did not get the penalty though for some reason. You don't always have to be AFK to miss it there are times it simply just doesn't allow you to accept or give you time to change jobs.

[whoopeeragon]

I had to withdraw 3 times yesterday. I was leveling Ninja and kept getting stuck in combat chased across half the zone before it would allow me to change jobs to accept.

Unless you were walking, 45 seconds is plenty for you to run a FAIR distance away from whatever FATE or Leve you were doing to leash or lose agro on mobs and press a gearset button.

A queue popping while you're deep in Zahar'ak or U'ghamaro Mines = hello penalty.

Actually change U'ghamaro with Sapsa, since Sahagin and Elbsts seem to have 2x the sight range of any other mob.

Ok, this I can understand. I remember why I hated the Sylphlands...

[Alukah]

I had to withdraw 3 times yesterday. I was leveling Ninja and kept getting stuck in combat chased across half the zone before it would allow me to change jobs to accept. You also can't accept the queue in a cutscene. It's like they just expect us to sit and wait, for 2-3 hours. I did not get the penalty though for some reason. You don't always have to be AFK to miss it there are times it simply just doesn't allow you to accept or give you time to change jobs.

A queue popping while you're deep in Zahar'ak or U'ghamaro Mines = hello penalty.

Actually change U'ghamaro with Sapsa, since Sahagin and Elbsts seem to have 2x the sight range of any other mob.

[LalaRu]

A queue popping while you're deep in Zahar'ak or U'ghamaro Mines = hello penalty....

A queue popping while you're deep in Zahar'ak or U'ghamaro Mines = NO PENALTY

A queue popping while you're deep in Zahar'ak or U'ghamaro Mines = NO PENALTY

A queue popping while you're deep in Zahar'ak or U'ghamaro Mines = OMG, what are you doing there all time?

I guess you guys are omitting the two free tickes on purpose. Eat the penalty you deserve.

[Alukah]

Eat the penalty you deserve.

You are so clueless it's not even funny, this system was put in place to counter griefers, people who intentionally withdraw or timeout queues looking to fish in progress, no not everyone who accidentally missed their queue and uses their strikes "deserves" the penalty, stop looking at this with a black and white perspective.

Toxic player.

[Teryaani]

You are so clueless it's not even funny, this system was put in place to counter griefers, people who intentionally withdraw or timeout queues looking to fish in progress, no not everyone who accidentally missed their queue and uses their strikes "deserves" the penalty, stop looking at this with a black and white perspective.

Toxic player.

The system can't differentiate between a person who intentionally withdraws and one who doesn't. It can't read intent. Even if it could, you caused the exact same effect as a griefer did. The queue popped and you withdrew, making 3 or 7 or 23 other players have to wait.

If you did this three times in a day, you're going to deserve that penalty, just like a griefer does.

[MomomiMomi]

You are so clueless it's not even funny, this system was put in place to counter griefers, people who intentionally withdraw or timeout queues looking to fish in progress, no not everyone who accidentally missed their queue and uses their strikes "deserves" the penalty, stop looking at this with a black and white perspective.

Toxic player.

People who don't accept their duties are also bloating the queues. They deserve their lockout.

[Dwill]

You are so clueless it's not even funny, this system was put in place to counter griefers, people who intentionally withdraw or timeout queues looking to fish in progress, no not everyone who accidentally missed their queue and uses their strikes "deserves" the penalty, stop looking at this with a black and white perspective.

Toxic player.

Yes, because the Duty Finder is totally a mind reader and will know instantly if you were fishing or not

Did you really think that the system could read the intent of the players and make a decision accordingly ? Not that it even matter anyway because by not accepting the queue, you cause the same result as a griefer/fisher. You're also given 3 strikes just to make sure.

You're quick to toss the Toxic word but you don't even seem to grasp what it really means. The funny thing is that coming from you, I'm not even surprised in the slightest.

That's because there is a rather toxic community in XIV that ALWAYS asks to see players punished\excluded from content\just plain uninstall because they didn't do xyz the same way and don't deserve to play. Just because a bunch of people like to see other players suffer doesn't mean it's the correct solution. It's actually rather disappointing that so many would rather punish one another than work together for a fair and intelligent solution. It's even more disappointing that the devs are embracing it.

This community is by far one of the best community out there. The thing is that people like you who call people toxic for disagreeing with you, for crafters actually being crafters and playing the Market Board (Like seriously ?):

and crafters monopolize the markets.

or just doing things that don't affect you in the slightest is what the real problem is. If you think everyone is so toxic, how about you look in the mirror first, you might see the root of the issue.

[Alukah]

Yes, because the Duty Finder is totally a mind reader and will know instantly if you were fishing or not

It's not about it being a mind reader, it's what Souljacker already said several times, design flaws, an optimal design is one that tries to deal with the problem affecting the least amount of innocents, the current system is not optimal, the current system can affect many people that aren't griefing.

You're quick to toss the Toxic word but you don't even seem to grasp what it really means. The funny thing is that coming from you, I'm not even surprised in the slightest.

I'm sure you do know what a toxic player means, being one yourself.

Actually since you don't seem to understand that I don't want to talk to you, let's do each other a favor, click on my name and add me to your ignore list, I already did it with you.



Don't bother replying, I won't read it.

[Teryaani]

It's not about it being a mind reader, it's what Souljacker already said several times, design flaws, an optimal design is one that tries to deal with the problem affecting the least amount of innocents, the current system is not optimal, the current system can affect many people that aren't griefing.

I honestly want to hear what this better system is.

You keep looking at this from the point of view of the person withdrawing, I want you to look at it from the point of view of the other people you're impacting. Legitimate to you or not, you have done the behavior that this system is trying to curb, so "innocent" is a bit far of a reach. "Not intentionally griefing" may be a better choice there.

Souljacker's proposed random distribution system will lead to more drops from duty in progress, which for me is way more painful to deal with than a fresh queue coming up, then failing. So that's out for me.