[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Razard]

Facetious huh? I did not find your "joke" or your "flippant" nature very amusing.

Good thing I'm not here to amuse you, isn't it?

TLR

So our free speech ends where her feelings begin, is that it? This particular subject has grown so toxic that the General Discussion board will not touch it. All because people like her, especially her, will not leave it alone. And people do get sick of repeating the same responses over and over when these threads pop up.

Here's some advice for you. There is no right way for dealing with people. Different strokes and all that. Some people are more receptive to help than others. It's not about drawing attention to their mistakes, if they are worried about that then they have bigger issues, it's about talking to each other and helping each other improve. Anyway our personal Philosophy on the matter is irrelevant because none of this excuses people from beating a dead horse though, which is what Akiza does. She is beyond help.

It just seems there is this contingent of players that seem to disregard reality because of how something feels. The bottom line is that this whole Summoner problem is a non issue. People decided to make a mountain out of a molehill because it's not how they "feel" a Summoner "should" be. Regardless of the inconsistent nature of the Summoner class within Final Fantasy. And often times the suggestions people make a wholly unacceptable and would Break the game to the point or making other DPS irrelevant or make Summoner the utter trash that they spent most of their lifetime in FFXI as.

The suggestion that she seek enjoyment elsewhere isn't an unreasonable one. Maybe she will find happiness elsewhere.

[dday3six]

Summoner's issues with new content is the fact that they constantly run low on MP. They need lower MP costs.

That or Aetherflow either restoring a greater precentage or being on a shorter cd.

[Exstal]

That or Aetherflow either restoring a greater precentage or being on a shorter cd.

Maybe they'll add a trait in 3.0 that increases it for Summoner since Scholar doesn't really need it that much.

[dday3six]

Maybe they'll add a trait in 3.0 that increases it for Summoner since Scholar doesn't really need it that much.

The other interesting idea I've been mulling over was swapping gear up so that instead of pairing Summoner with Black Mage for left side it was paired with Scholar. Just add Int to that gear similarly to how pre 2.4 gear is for Monk and Ninja. The added Pie would help to reduce mp issues on the Summoner's side, and while the extra Int would certainly benefit Scholar I don't feel it would unbalance it.

[Akiza]

SE kept the Final Fantasy theme of the Ninja even though it's broken in this game while they just did the bare bones with the Summoner which resulted in the butchering of an iconic job in the name of balance.

The Summoner in this game is a WoW themed Warlock dressed up in Summoner gear at least if SE was going to copy and paste a pet class they should've used the Everquest Magician or Conjuror. I don't know why any company would draw from WoW since WoW is a game that a lot of people love to hate which Final Fantasy XIV is endangered of becoming just Call of Duty and all the clones which are failing.

[dday3six]

SE kept the Final Fantasy theme of the Ninja even though it's broken in this game while they just did the bare bones with the Summoner which resulted in the butchering of an iconic job in the name of balance.

The Summoner in this game is a WoW themed Warlock dressed up in Summoner gear at least if SE was going to copy and paste a pet class they should've used the Everquest Magician or Conjuror. I don't know why any company would draw from WoW since WoW is a game that a lot of people love to hate which Final Fantasy XIV is endangered of becoming just Call of Duty and all the clones which are failing.

What are you on about? Throw is the "iconic" Ninja skill, and we don't have it. EQ has many more skill options than SE wants to add FFXIV. It's actually aimed at a more causal playerbase than other MMO's, you know that right?

Furthermore each new CoD has pretty much outsold the last several fold. I don't like them, but that doesn't change that fact.

[MercuryD]

Maybe they'll add a trait in 3.0 that increases it for Summoner since Scholar doesn't really need it that much.

Yay! Constructive discussion

[Delily]

The Summoner in this game is a WoW themed Warlock dressed up in Summoner gear at least if SE was going to copy and paste a pet class they should've used the Everquest Magician or Conjuror. I don't know why any company would draw from WoW since WoW is a game that a lot of people love to hate which Final Fantasy XIV is endangered of becoming just Call of Duty and all the clones which are failing.

For a game that people "love to hate" it has 7.4 million subscribers. For a game that is almost a decade old, that's pretty good. The reason FFXIV drew a lot from WoW is simple: It works. Claiming people "love to hate it" is nothing more than confirmation bias. Reading commentary on WoW on forums for other MMOs will of course give you that belief, since those people who aren't playing WoW probably don't like it.

[Kaze3434]

SE kept the Final Fantasy theme of the Ninja even though it's broken in this game while they just did the bare bones with the Summoner which resulted in the butchering of an iconic job in the name of balance.

The Summoner in this game is a WoW themed Warlock dressed up in Summoner gear at least if SE was going to copy and paste a pet class they should've used the Everquest Magician or Conjuror. I don't know why any company would draw from WoW since WoW is a game that a lot of people love to hate which Final Fantasy XIV is endangered of becoming just Call of Duty and all the clones which are failing.

before anything else, please explain how ninja is broken.

[Dwill]

Maybe they'll add a trait in 3.0 that increases it for Summoner since Scholar doesn't really need it that much.

That actually would help a little in extended encounter.

before anything else, please explain how ninja is broken.

He/she won't. Akiza just goes with what whatever he/she reads and deems that as fact. Remember, he/she thought Summoner single target damage was terrible when we had access to Thunder but then later on got upset that they removed for Blizzard 2. He/she never makes up their his/her mind.