Cash Shop Overpriced?

[Tupsi]

Too bad though, that Yoshida not only had the team play it for a year but was very clear about following after it. So it doesn't matter what you think, Yoshida thinks otherwise. Also you're mostly paying to simply access the game, you can be terminated at any point in time if SE feels like it.

And yes, you hit: "I Agree" to that. Read the terms next time.

Im ok with a cash shop but to take 1 fantasia to all characters for $10 then decide to cater to the players by changing it to -one- fantasia on -one- character left me very unimpressed

It was never going to be permanently like that - they stated as such, they said that's exactly why once you bought all current fantasias you couldn't buy anymore because it was a temporary system.

[Jynx]

you can be terminated at any point in time if SE feels like it.

Why would Square Enix terminate his account because he dissagrees with the cash shop?

He has a point, we pay a subscription not to just "Get into the game" that fee is to go towards the cost of the servers and the continued development of content for the game. Square doesn't just make content out of the love in their heart, they do it with profits in mind for continued subscriptions.

People have a good point to look at the cash shop with some reservations, the developers have allready cut content out of the game to put it into the cash shop for exorbitant prices. I mean seriously you can play the game for 2 months for what it costs for a Vanity mount? Maybe I come from a different generation but that just doesn't click for me, that's why I just shake my head when I see it and wish I had a switch to turn all cash shop purchases invisible so I could see the acheivments people earned and didn't just drop their wallet on.

[Tupsi]

Why would Square Enix terminate his account because he dissagrees with the cash shop?

In the terms you agreed to it says they can terminate your account at will - Almost every company has this clause, very few enforces it. Has nothing to do with disagreeing with the cash shop. This is why people need to actually read that wall of text lol, it would save a lot of headaches when SE decides to do something that's actually standard in this industry.

Every social and MMO game has a cash shop of some kind, arguing against it is honestly like arguing against offline titles receiving DLC.

He has a point, we pay a subscription not to just "Get into the game"

You're paying for your right to even access the game above all - the money they make goes towards whatever SE sees fit actually, kind of like how FFXI funded most of their projects.

[Fayto]

He has a point, we pay a subscription not to just "Get into the game" that fee is to go towards the cost of the servers and the continued development of content for the game.

Sorry, but no. That sub fee is just to get into the game. The EULA that we agree to states, in every video game we buy, that we only buy a license to play the game. MMOs are unique that we have to keep renewing this license every month with a sub fee.

[Mysteran]

Sorry, but no. That sub fee is just to get into the game. The EULA that we agree to states, in every video game we buy, that we only buy a license to play the game. MMOs are unique that we have to keep renewing this license every month with a sub fee.

So I guess everyone that keeps bringing this up is okay with that being as much as they get from their subscription?

"to access SQUARE ENIX's servers to play the Game"

That's a pretty broad statement. But if that's all you believe you should get from the game then there shouldn't be any problem with them charging extra for any of the following on top of the subscription:
Each race
Each class
Each zone
Each quest
Each item
DX11 client
"Enhanced Graphics Pack" (They could just bump down the basic client to extreme minimal graphics. After all, you don't need good graphics to play the game)

Pretty much anything inside or outside of the game can be sold a la carte with that attitude. They only need to provide the absolute minimum to do some sort of semblance of playing the game to fulfill that agreement.

They won't do that though. Not and remain a subscription based game. You know why? Because it's a really stupid move. They would go well beyond what most people would consider value vs cost. But they could. And they'd be within their right to do so per the User Agreement. A lot of the people against the cash shop believe that the value of the subscription is lowered by introduction of a means to obtain in-game items (vanity is still an item and a lot of people make goals around them) with just a quick RMT.

And sure, SE is in no way obligated to put any money provided via subscription back into the game. But again, they'd be stupid not to. If they want people to continue to subscribe they need to provide value for that subscription. So they will put at least some of that back into the game to maintain their income.

In short, saying "They can do it because the EULA says you only pay for access to the servers to play the game" is a very hollow argument in my opinion.

[Tupsi]

So I guess everyone that keeps bringing this up is okay with that being as much as they get from their subscription?

As said - Do not hit "I Agree" if you don't agree. Money a company makes on any of their products and services goes to things relevant to the company in general, but you paying a sub is specifically to access the game - you don't even own your characters.

They already charge extra:

Each race
Each class
Each zone
Each quest
Each item

It's called an expansion pack.

DX11 client

Based on production costs this could actually raise the base price if they seen fit.

In short, saying "They can do it because the EULA says you only pay for access to the servers to play the game" is a very hollow argument in my opinion.

You agreed to it in order to play the game.

[Jynx]

As said - Do not hit "I Agree" if you don't agree.

You are well aware that the ToS that we all "Agree" too has been thrown out in court quite a few times actually. To pretend like it's some bullet proof sheild for your arguments is a bit shaky...I'm also unsure why you even mention it in the first place at all.

Why would the ToS have anything to do with people and their issues with the cash shop? Square Enix is a big company, and we are big consumers I at least don't need you to remind me that I'm fully able to walk away at anytime. A handfull of things I don't agree with the game may not effect the whole of what I enjoy, but there are ways I feel the game could be made better for me and would lead to me lengthened subscription and therefor more money for Square Enix from me in the future.

As a company there is no reason why they don't want to hear my opinion, they are the ones who need to decide wether the customers are ok with the cash shop or not. State your support for the cash shop and why you feel it will be good for the game instead of just trying to dismiss people who don't agree with you.

Your actually doing harm to Square Enix by trying to blindly defend them.

[Tupsi]

Your actually doing harm to Square Enix by trying to blindly defend them.

No one is defending - Being against everything does more harm, actually. It's just the realism of the situation. The only time "ToS" gets thrown out in the court is when someone tries to sue a game company over something you can't sue them for, another reason companies adapted the "act of god" clause - it is still legally binding, which is why they can't just do things "quickly" when it comes to internationally supported games because each country handles agreements differently.

but there are ways I feel the game could be made better for me and would lead to me lengthened subscription and therefor more money for Square Enix from me in the future.

Sadly, trying to tell them to not do something standard in the online gaming world doesn't do much better. On the flip side, them adding a cash shop and it proven to be a success also means more money for Square Enix in the future. So if your argument against cash shop is you know what will be more enjoyable for you in the future and thus more money to SE...a cash shop also means the same because there are some people out there who enjoy buying vanity items and such from a cash shop since once again, there's a reason F2P and MOBA games are insanely popular and makes more money than P2P games ever will, even without P2W element (look at LoL, it's impossible to "P2W" unless you count hitting max level slightly faster that does nothing for you against someone who actually has skill.)

[Mysteran]

As said - Do not hit "I Agree" if you don't agree. Money a company makes on any of their products and services goes to things relevant to the company in general, but you paying a sub is specifically to access the game - you don't even own your characters.

They already charge extra:



It's called an expansion pack.



Based on production costs this could actually raise the base price if they seen fit.



You agreed to it in order to play the game.

I agree to play the game because I enjoy it as it currently is.

I did not agree to approve of everything they do. This is a place for feedback. We are providing feedback. Telling someone "Your feedback is wrong because the User Agreement says you are only entitled to this" doesn't help at all.

Edited to add: Oh, and my list was meant to be for each individual one. Not a "new one". Not an expansion pack of content. Everything you currently get in game now but instead of getting it for your subscription, that just covers connection to the server. That's what a la carte means... priced and ordered separately.

[Fyrebrand]

And yes, you hit: "I Agree" to that. Read the terms next time.

Do you make pedantic troll posts about the Terms of Service every time someone has a complaint/criticism/suggestion, or just when it's about the cash shop? No one is saying a cash shop is against any Terms of Service or EULA. We are simply saying we don't like it, the prices are unreasonable, we don't want to see the game taken in this direction, etc. I certainly did not click "I agree not to give any feedback."

You might as well go into a suggestion thread where somebody's brainstorming an idea for a new class or feature, and tell them "You agreed to play a game without such features, therefore you have no right to suggest anything." Or go into the threads about the new Duty Finder lockout policy, and tell them "You agreed to this in the Terms of Service." Or if somebody is trying to report a bug, tell them "You agreed to play the game as-is, you can't have any expectations that bugs will be fixed." The terms of service have nothing to do with any of this. Please stop bringing them up, as they are irrelevant.

it doesn't matter what you think, Yoshida thinks otherwise.

That's really charming, by the way. Thanks for bringing a thoughtful contribution to the discussion, as always, Tupsi.