Cash Shop Overpriced?

[Tupsi]

Too bad though, that Yoshida not only had the team play it for a year but was very clear about following after it. So it doesn't matter what you think, Yoshida thinks otherwise. Also you're mostly paying to simply access the game, you can be terminated at any point in time if SE feels like it.

And yes, you hit: "I Agree" to that. Read the terms next time.

Im ok with a cash shop but to take 1 fantasia to all characters for $10 then decide to cater to the players by changing it to -one- fantasia on -one- character left me very unimpressed

It was never going to be permanently like that - they stated as such, they said that's exactly why once you bought all current fantasias you couldn't buy anymore because it was a temporary system.

[Jynx]

you can be terminated at any point in time if SE feels like it.

Why would Square Enix terminate his account because he dissagrees with the cash shop?

He has a point, we pay a subscription not to just "Get into the game" that fee is to go towards the cost of the servers and the continued development of content for the game. Square doesn't just make content out of the love in their heart, they do it with profits in mind for continued subscriptions.

People have a good point to look at the cash shop with some reservations, the developers have allready cut content out of the game to put it into the cash shop for exorbitant prices. I mean seriously you can play the game for 2 months for what it costs for a Vanity mount? Maybe I come from a different generation but that just doesn't click for me, that's why I just shake my head when I see it and wish I had a switch to turn all cash shop purchases invisible so I could see the acheivments people earned and didn't just drop their wallet on.

[Tupsi]

Why would Square Enix terminate his account because he dissagrees with the cash shop?

In the terms you agreed to it says they can terminate your account at will - Almost every company has this clause, very few enforces it. Has nothing to do with disagreeing with the cash shop. This is why people need to actually read that wall of text lol, it would save a lot of headaches when SE decides to do something that's actually standard in this industry.

Every social and MMO game has a cash shop of some kind, arguing against it is honestly like arguing against offline titles receiving DLC.

He has a point, we pay a subscription not to just "Get into the game"

You're paying for your right to even access the game above all - the money they make goes towards whatever SE sees fit actually, kind of like how FFXI funded most of their projects.

[Fayto]

He has a point, we pay a subscription not to just "Get into the game" that fee is to go towards the cost of the servers and the continued development of content for the game.

Sorry, but no. That sub fee is just to get into the game. The EULA that we agree to states, in every video game we buy, that we only buy a license to play the game. MMOs are unique that we have to keep renewing this license every month with a sub fee.

[Mysteran]

Sorry, but no. That sub fee is just to get into the game. The EULA that we agree to states, in every video game we buy, that we only buy a license to play the game. MMOs are unique that we have to keep renewing this license every month with a sub fee.

So I guess everyone that keeps bringing this up is okay with that being as much as they get from their subscription?

"to access SQUARE ENIX's servers to play the Game"

That's a pretty broad statement. But if that's all you believe you should get from the game then there shouldn't be any problem with them charging extra for any of the following on top of the subscription:
Each race
Each class
Each zone
Each quest
Each item
DX11 client
"Enhanced Graphics Pack" (They could just bump down the basic client to extreme minimal graphics. After all, you don't need good graphics to play the game)

Pretty much anything inside or outside of the game can be sold a la carte with that attitude. They only need to provide the absolute minimum to do some sort of semblance of playing the game to fulfill that agreement.

They won't do that though. Not and remain a subscription based game. You know why? Because it's a really stupid move. They would go well beyond what most people would consider value vs cost. But they could. And they'd be within their right to do so per the User Agreement. A lot of the people against the cash shop believe that the value of the subscription is lowered by introduction of a means to obtain in-game items (vanity is still an item and a lot of people make goals around them) with just a quick RMT.

And sure, SE is in no way obligated to put any money provided via subscription back into the game. But again, they'd be stupid not to. If they want people to continue to subscribe they need to provide value for that subscription. So they will put at least some of that back into the game to maintain their income.

In short, saying "They can do it because the EULA says you only pay for access to the servers to play the game" is a very hollow argument in my opinion.

[Fyrebrand]

And yes, you hit: "I Agree" to that. Read the terms next time.

Do you make pedantic troll posts about the Terms of Service every time someone has a complaint/criticism/suggestion, or just when it's about the cash shop? No one is saying a cash shop is against any Terms of Service or EULA. We are simply saying we don't like it, the prices are unreasonable, we don't want to see the game taken in this direction, etc. I certainly did not click "I agree not to give any feedback."

You might as well go into a suggestion thread where somebody's brainstorming an idea for a new class or feature, and tell them "You agreed to play a game without such features, therefore you have no right to suggest anything." Or go into the threads about the new Duty Finder lockout policy, and tell them "You agreed to this in the Terms of Service." Or if somebody is trying to report a bug, tell them "You agreed to play the game as-is, you can't have any expectations that bugs will be fixed." The terms of service have nothing to do with any of this. Please stop bringing them up, as they are irrelevant.

it doesn't matter what you think, Yoshida thinks otherwise.

That's really charming, by the way. Thanks for bringing a thoughtful contribution to the discussion, as always, Tupsi.

[tocsin]

The terms of service have nothing to do with any of this. Please stop bringing them up, as they are irrelevant.

As one of the first people to bring up ToS, back during fanfest, I must apologize for that becoming out of hand. The original argument for ToS was that people were complaining that "when I agreed to pay a subscription, I was told that I would have access to everything that is ever made for only that price!" which was completely untrue. the ToS argument has really gotten off base, and the people using it have lost sight of what it originally was used for.

ToS does not mean that you are not allowed to give feedback.
ToS does not mean that you agreed to every decision that the developers make.
ToS does not mean that you do not deserve anything in the game other than what the tos provides.

ToS does mean that not all content needs to be spoonfed to you for only your base price.
ToS does mean that both cash shop models, and pay for content expansion packs are not "SE changing the rules"
ToS does mean that you agreed to a basic set of measures governing what SE was Required to provide you.

lets at least get the argument straight here.

[Asierid]

ITT: Dense people that don't know what a EULA is or what it says.

Doesn't matter if it is expensive to you. Enough people have already bought it during your whining to pay for the extra webpage and pixels. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Still have a raging hard-on over this issue? Unsub, least I don't have to read about it in-game then.

People forget the forums are the vocal minority here. The fact that the issue is split makes it even more trivial. The prices are set based on a standard set by other games (Mainly Blizzard). It works for them and they make money, so why not follow what works. Business people. Business.

[Gramul]

Simply clicking "I Agree" doesn't mean you're legally obliged to agree with every change and charge they make.
DLC like this (A single mount that cost the same price as the game itself), is remarkably overpriced. You are totally free to disagree and denounce that as you are any other feature you don't like in or surrounding the game. And I should hope you are financially savvy enough to realize that it (Or really anything outside of fantasia potions or server transfers) is not a wise purchase. Not only because of the cost itself, but also because it encourages anti consumer practice for future content.

If I can't ask you anything else, let me at least ask you to be wise with your spending.

[Noshpan]

The price of the mount is what I expected. However, my budget doesn't have that much wiggle room to allow me to purchase the mount and the minions (I do have to shop for Thanksgiving dinner and there's Christmas gifts, oh, and my birthday). Plus, I've done that more than enough with pets and mounts with Blizzard. Do I want the Sleipnir mount? Yes. But I'm not going to take the money out of what I have saved for a WiiU to get it.