SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Preypacer]

TheVedis may not have tried with a good group. Grinding raptors is exactly as fast as before. You may want to try it before throwing wild accusations towards a developer.

Oh, wait. You can't, and you also have no idea how leveling in the second half of the curve was before the patch. How convenient.

Seriously, you should just man up and apologize. Falsely calling someone a liar isn't a nice thing.

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants. If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two. This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway. Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

[Kensei]

You continue to miss the fact that it doesn't magically become true if you continue to repeat it.

The same can be said for you except in my case you can go read all the other people have posted the same thing. In your case you say it is faster because you say so.

[TheVedis]

TheVedis said ranking up was faster before the patch, meaning it is slower now.



Read more carefully next time instead of being so focused on trolling.

it was, and it wasnt faster

you could get faster sp for 2 total hours each cycle, i wouldnt call not having that 2 hours now "slower"

we still get 30k an hour average for grinding depending on where you are and who you go with
you now also have more places to grind


so technicaly, the ability to rank up hasnt changed at all, you just gotta do it different

[Abriael]

The same can be said for you except in my case you can go read all the other people have posted the same thing. In your case you say it is faster because you say so.

The problem with this silly statement is that the maximum leveling speed is reachable only by the ones with the ability to do so. Not everyone has it, and that's how it should be. No matter if a few say that they can't reach those numbers. As long as others can, that's what the maximum speed is.

Ergo, the many that told you clearly that the curve is unchanged cannot be proven wrong just because some don't have the skill and organization needed to match it. if you lack it, maybe you should just try to improve yourself instead of complaining.

so technicaly, the ability to rank up hasnt changed at all, you just gotta do it different

I wonder how many will have to tell him before he mans up and apologizes for his false accusations. Not that I really think that he will, mind you.

[Preypacer]

The problem with this silly statement is that the maximum leveling speed is reachable only by the ones with the ability to do so. Not everyone has it, and that's how it should be. No matter if a few say that they can't reach those numbers. As long as others can, that's what the maximum speed is.

Ergo, the many that told you clearly that the curve is unchanged cannot be proven wrong just because some don't have the skill and organization needed to match it. if you lack it, maybe you should just try to improve yourself instead of complaining.



I wonder how many will have to tell him before he mans up and apologizes for his false accusations. Not that I really think that he will, mind you.

Exactly... If others are doing it, then it's possible. Period.

[Capita]

Idk about you, but I gained over 40k solo SP in one set of leves this weekend when I only got about 10-15k solo before.

[Coldfire]

I guess it's best to put Abriael on the iggy as he's stuck up on his opinion and just wants to troll us.

[Emonzaemon]

Wow you STILL don't get the point? It doesn't matter what the best way to rank up is. It doesn't matter what you enjoy more. Ranking up is slower now than it was pre-patch so it was nerfed, therefor we were lied to. That is the only point of this thread.

WHAT DON'T YOU GET? YOU WEREN'T LIED TO, YOU'RE FATHER HASN'T ABANDONED YOU. HE DIDN'T WALK OUT ON YOU, NO TRUST WAS BROKEN, CHILL OUT.

[Emonzaemon]

Behest and grinding were not an exploit. Both were nerfed. Having fun is not the point. Is the fact that ranking up was nerfed when the letter said it wouldn't. Dude seriously it's too easy for you to still not get it.

Have fun in a game isn't the point? Oh dear god, why the hell do you even play?

[Abriael]

I guess it's best to put Abriael on the iggy as he's stuck up on his opinion and just wants to troll us.

Unfortunately it's not an opinion. It's fact, and many other provided data to back it up.

As Preypacer correctly simplified:

Exactly... If others are doing it, then it's possible. Period.

You can deny reality as much as you want, but that makes it no less real.

But do feel free to ignore me, if not hearing how wrong you are makes you feel more confident in your false points.