SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Rinsui]

The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch

[SIZE="7"]DAMMIT, ARE YOU DEAF AND ILLITERATE?[/SIZE]

[SilvertearRen]

[SIZE="7"]DAMMIT, ARE YOU DEAF AND ILLITERATE?[/SIZE]

He did behest because it was the best sp/hour for HIS play style.

OK? EVERYONE has a DIFFERENT playstyle.

Man, I hate it when people think their way is the only way...

As far as I'm concerned, SP overall has been nerfed.

[Rinsui]

Ah.
Now I got it.
I'm a little slow today.
It's just a troll.

Bye-bye.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

*sigh* i do not know how many time does people need to keep on saying this and that, and still Kensei, you want to say behest this and that. you sir are a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad little man with no confidence of even venturing forward with curiosity.

epic phail man, epic phail.

[Kensei]

*sigh* i do not know how many time does people need to keep on saying this and that, and still Kensei, you want to say behest this and that. you sir are a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad little man with no confidence of even venturing forward with curiosity.

epic phail man, epic phail.

You are entitled to your opinion. The fact is Yoshi did what he said he wouldn't. I am very glad you like the changes though, more power to you.

[SilvertearRen]

If you don't share the same troubles as Kensei, then stop posting.

This thread is to discuss the SP issues, not deal with straw-man arguments.

[TheVedis]

If you don't share the same troubles as Kensei, then stop posting.

This thread is to discuss the SP issues, not deal with straw-man arguments.

actualy, this thread was starting by kensei to complain about his behest issues...go look who the OP is

[odette]

curiously ffxi fans defend party grind fest that leveling in two weeks is not mmo, well ffxi you can got 1 to lvl 90 in 2 days now

hard for made or search party find tank and healer class take a hours, people dont uses party finder so shout for hours is boring, people leave in half hour so
i prefer fatigue with old system that new system wher eyou kill enemies +8 level of you and give you 100 sp

[Biggs]

In Letter from the Producer XIV Yoshi dedicated a section of it to discuss ranking up. I will quote parts of it.

Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no.

Well Yoshi it was nerfed in every single way. Killing mobs gives less SP, Behest gives less SP and it can't be done back to back, guildleves give far less SP per kill and the final bonus is pathetic. What the heck is the use of Guardians Favor? I was getting 83 SP per kill and it increased to maybe 89 SP with favor and the final bonus was unaffected. I tried for a while with a party and the best we were getting was 340 SP with mobs 10 ranks higher than us, the problem was that every 3 kills our CON needed an MP break because of the outrageous MP cost increases.

I don’t want there to be a huge loss of skill points imposed for dying, or for players to have to grind 5–6 hours a day for 8 months to get to the high ranks.

Well, Yoshi, with the current state of SP gains it may not be for 8 months but it will certainly take 6+ hours a day of mindless grinding to make progress a decent pace now from 30s onward.

I do think ranking up should take longer in MMOs than in non-MMOs, but I plan to make the process both possible and enjoyable for players willing to invest the time, even if they’re solo, and even by doing quests and guildleves.

Are you serious? You just nerfed SP gains which you said you wouldn't do, we are now forced to grind to make decent progress for hours which you also said you wouldn't do and I already discussed leves' pathetic excuse of SP. As for quests they would have been viable if there were more than 5 and it would be more enjoyable if a quest in Gridania didn't sent me to Coerthas and back for a grand total of 1,700 Skill Points. I could get much more grinding in the same amount of time it takes to make that walk.

Why was this done? Are you really thinking that slowing ranking up to a crawl will retain population? Because this sort of thing is exactly what made everyone quit. Considering the state the game was slowly recovering from I would think this was the last thing they would consider doing.

The patch has been out for all of 2 days and you seem so certain that there is no good xp to be had anywhere in the game? Talk about some serious research on your part huh? Buddy, I just partied with some friends levels 36-41 at the Ixalia camp near halitali last night and was making 301-360 sp per kill. Do more homework before posting this kind of shit bud. They arent going to spoon feed you xp anymore, but its still out there to be had, your just gonna have to actually put a little effort forth now.

[Starlord]

The patch has been out for all of 2 days aand you seem so certain that there is no good xp to be had anywhere in the game? Talk about some serious research on your part huh? Buddy, I just partied with some friend levels 36-41 at the Ixalia camp near halitali last night and was making 301-360 sp per kill. Do more homework before posting this kind of shit bud. They arent going to spoon feed you xp anymore, but its still out there to be had, your just gonna have to actually put a little effort forth now.

I did mention that Beastmen camps would dish out 300+ sp ( said 400 but I was damn close) because I was getting 210 solo on my 47 Lancer.. so getting 350+ in a party at that rank range is awesome.