Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[Ladon]

Can't fish with a party but you can still troll it.

Regardless the new system is working. There will be concessions either way but the reality is it is easier to ask people in parties to coordinate a little for a better overall game experience than it is to ask people to stop trolling the DF.

[Estellios]

I think it just needs a notification to let you know who didn't accept or hit Withdraw so you don't get trolled within your own party, but otherwise I have no issues with how it works.

[Alukah]

Since there appears to be a bit of confusion, I’d like to explain a little bit about how the Duty Finder penalty system works.

There is an issue, Camate, this system was implemented to counter those people spamming the DF fishing for runs in progress, but any party with more than one member is unable to click the box "join in progress", half-premade parties should not be punished for withdrawing, only people who queue solo. I feel like this was an oversight by the devs.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Also, in the event that you queue up to the Duty Finder as a party, if one party member withdraws when matched, it will count as a penalty towards all of the party members. ...

wow... just wow... implement something to cut back on the trolling only to open us up to an even worse form of trolling. hardcore FAIL!

when the game first launched the Abandon timer was set to 20minutes. (10minutes more then it ought to be) then it got bumped to 30minutes. now we get the 3 strike rule at the Commencement window. and now THIS.

i am simply amazed that we even have such counter-measures. this community must have some of the worst people in history. now i am not saying anything bad about certain people, or trying to insult anyone here. but i have played MMORPG's since before they were called MMROPG's. and my word... i can't remember if i've ever came across such an asinine punishment system. really **bleeping** sad we need this crap.

and in the end that's what it boils down to... we need CRAP like this, because of the trolls. while i am opposed to it all, i DO enjoy getting in to an 8-man instance with much much more ease. it's still sad, though.



P.S. THANK YOU for not including that the lock-out penalty is shared between all party members when not using a Light/Full Party in the patch notes. not being sarcastic either.

[Kyri]

Though this does sound like a pain in the butt and im sorry to you OP, I can't say it's ever been a problem for me, If you que solo others won't be able to lock you out, and if you que with friends and one of them causes your withdraw 3 times, well. I would be upset with my friend. Perhaps it would just be better not to pre make pts with people you don't know.If a 8 man raid do a ready check, tell people to get drinks, wc then que and if you are withdrawn, do a ready check and tell that person that they will need to pay better attention or be asked to leave. Though I do feel for you and feel that it's unfair for people to lock you out by their own actions, im sorry you had to go through that.

Now one thing I am seeing that is annoying is people don't withdraw now, they enter the duty, decide they don't like it, sit on the floor and wait to be kicked from pt with no repercussion. I do hope they address that somehow.

[ChibiChan_Hyperion]

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It baffles me that people think that there is que fishing going on in small/light parties. It is literally impossible and shows a complete lack of understanding to the system.

Nope, not impossible. You can still fish for players. In progress does not have to even come into play; players would just wait until their queue popped at the same time as a friends and withdraw if it didn't. This is still a form of fishing. Obviously this new penalty will probably kill this type of fishing, but it most certainly is not impossible.

And for the record, the above type of fishing absolutely happened with players in a Full Party for Crystal Tower.

[dayspring83]

If you're entering something as a partial pre-made party, be it with friends or via the PF, etc... You should either know these people, or be performing ready checks before you press that button to reserve an instance. Failure to do so is at the fault of the party leader. This system is working as intended. If you queue solo, there is no way that people can screw you over with this system. If you queue as a full pre-made party (or alliance in the case of CT/ST), there is no way that people can screw you over with this system.

I hope that helps clarify what Camate is telling you.

Glad someone else can read....

[DarkkenMoneybags]

WOW..... SE........ You have just fueled each player into not even using Duty Finder due to the overly too strict penalties. You have also amputated players from being able to do dungeons or roulette when someone else withdraws from a made party or doesn't show up to commence we get a strike. Duty Finder itself has problems with its increased wait times and non swift que into a Duty. Why not fix that first!? This penalty needs to go back to the development team & drawing board ASAP for a second look and changes either increase the penalty numbers, add penalty to reset each day at dailies reset or lose loyal players over this absurd ludicrous implementation. I can go on to say other things about how SE task force does nothing about RMT's, Elitist FC's using 3rd party tools and the major exploits which issues an automatic ban (Nothing happens tho). This isnt the thread for that. Things seem to get fixed in a very harsh manner which ends up being EXTREME!

[Kaze3434]

WOW..... SE........ You have just fueled each player into not even using Duty Finder due to the overly too strict penalties. You have also amputated players from being able to do dungeons or roulette when someone else withdraws from a made party or doesn't show up to commence we get a strike. Duty Finder itself has problems with its increased wait times and non swift que into a Duty. Why not fix that first!? This penalty needs to go back to the development team & drawing board ASAP for a second look and changes either increase the penalty numbers, add penalty to reset each day at dailies reset or lose loyal players over this absurd ludicrous implementation. I can go on to say other things about how SE task force does nothing about RMT's, Elitist FC's using 3rd party tools and the major exploits which issues an automatic ban (Nothing happens tho)

because 30 minutes is that much of a set back.

[NyarukoW]

..... implement something to cut back on the trolling only to open us up to an even worse form of trolling.

Such utter nonsense. Don't form a party with the troll. Don't queue the DF until you did a ready check. And if they withdraw after the ready check, note their name and apply appropriate action. If you are being trolled by your friends, FC members, LS, etc. that joined your PF, be sure to apply the corrective actions. They should stop doing that soon once they know the problems they are causing.

Get your party lined-up, all the ducks in a row, and properly behaved. Don't withdraw unless absolutely necessary. Don't withdraw for spurious reasons. You can always go in an then leave. The player that has to leave can take the 30min penalty by themselves and not impact their friends. Don't be wishy-washy about whether if you are going to instance and take all the other players that the DF finds for you for granted. As a partly formed group you don't get to gang-up and troll the DF either. People shouldn't have to click commence 15 times in 10 minutes just to do an instance.

... Now one thing I am seeing that is annoying is people don't withdraw now, they enter the duty, decide they don't like it, sit on the floor and wait to be kicked from pt with no repercussion. I do hope they address that somehow.

You can report players like that for harassment. If you want to proceed or leave to requeue you will need to vote kick them too for harassment. But behavior like that is actionable offense. They should not have been on the DF in the firs place.