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  1. #11
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    Kallera's Avatar
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Unfortunately, the reality of it is that if you could withdraw without penalty in a group, thne you can bet that some people would group up as a Tank+Heal and then queue/withdraw all day long.
    Uh, no. How it SHOULD work is that if the penalized person is removed from the party, the rest of the party not penalized can use df again. Surely the can determine who it was that withdrew or timed out, and then check to see if that player did it for the third time.
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    Last edited by Kallera; 10-31-2014 at 08:52 PM.

  2. #12
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    Odsarzol Que
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Uh, no. How it SHOULD work is that if the penalized person is removed from the party, the rest of the party not penalized can use df again.
    The party system doesn't work that way though because as someone just said, if you get penalized you could just join someone else's party and be taken in, thus circumventing the whole point of this. You're in a party, you're grouped together, why should only 1 person in your party be penalized for withdrawing over and over? (it's 3 times, remember that, 1 withdraw will not lock you out for awhile, just 30 minutes as usual, which the OP likely isn't complaining about.)
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    The party system doesn't work that way though because as someone just said, if you get penalized you could just join someone else's party and be taken in, thus circumventing the whole point of this. You're in a party, you're grouped together, why should only 1 person in your party be penalized for withdrawing over and over? (it's 3 times, remember that, 1 withdraw will not lock you out for awhile, just 30 minutes as usual, which the OP likely isn't complaining about.)
    It sounds like darkoon wasn't the one withdrawing, and it was also not her third withdrawal.
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  4. #14
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    Amenian's Avatar
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    Aminnia Bonneroo
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    I guess SE wants to make sure nobody queues as a party unless they know their party members very well. Way to foster community SE!
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  5. #15
    Player Eidolon's Avatar
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    Muhau Nbolo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    if you get penalized you could just join someone else's party and be taken in, thus circumventing the whole point of this. You're in a party, you're grouped together, why should only 1 person in your party be penalized for withdrawing over and over?
    If someone has a penalty, they are unable to use the DF, regardless of who the party lead is (Themselves or someone else.) This basically negates your point in its entirety by itself. I've experienced this with people who had the DF Lockout and wanted to see if que'ing in a full premade with me would get them by it - it did not.

    Edit-in Clarification: Basically, when you try to join someone's party and they try to que for a duty, you will get a messasge stating that "One of your members is ineligible"... Basically, it's saying "Someone has the penalty" or "Someone hasn't unlocked it."

    The person's suggesting that, when YOU, personally, hit Withdraw or let the timer hit 0, you get one of the 'marks' that go to your 3/day. Once you hit 3, YOU get locked out.

    But if YOU, while in their party, and are que'd for duty, hit Withdraw, only YOU should get penalized. And this makes perfect sense to me. It doesn't hurt anyone - because as said, once that person hits 3/3 penalties, they won't be spamming it anymore. And in the first place, you can't que fish in a party - so there's already no reason to think that the person's just trying to find an 'in progress' dungoun if they're que'ing as a party.

    Simply put, for all intents and purposes, members of your party should -not- be allowed to dictate how your Lockout works.
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  6. #16
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    Aldora's Avatar
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    C'rysta Zeith
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 90
    The Patch Notes state that players who withdraw from the Duty Finder will be penalized. It doesn’t mention anything about the the whole party being locked out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lodestone Patch Notes
    Players who select Withdraw from the Duty Ready confirmation window or allow the window to time out without making a selection three times or more in one day, will be temporarily prohibited from registering for duties via the Duty Finder.
    So, like Kallera said, it should only affect the person that withdrew from the duty. Not the entire party. Normally, people aren’t automatically kicked out of the Party when they can’t queue up for a party, so i would think that the reason you couldn’t queue up is that the person who was locked out was still in the party.

    But, the screenshot does show that you were still locked out for 7 more minutes, which is odd…

    If this happens again, you should enter a bug in the In-game bugs section of the forum so that they can investigate this issue.
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    Last edited by Aldora; 10-31-2014 at 09:06 PM.

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  7. #17
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    Darkoon's Avatar
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    Luna Belle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldora View Post
    The Patch Notes state that players who withdraw from the Duty Finder will be penalized. It doesn’t mention anything about the the whole party being locked out.



    So, like Kallera said, it should only affect the person that withdrew from the duty. Not the entire party. Normally, people aren’t automatically kicked out of the Party when they can’t queue up for a party, so i would think that the reason you couldn’t queue up is that the person who was locked out was still in the party.

    But, the screenshot does show that you were still locked out for 7 more minutes, which is odd…

    If this happens again, you should enter a bug in the In-game bugs section of the forum so that they can investigate this issue.
    I was not the one that hit withdraw.
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  8. #18
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    IzumiYuki's Avatar
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    Yuki Izumi
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    Tonberry
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    If something like this happens, it is most definitely a bug and oversight. There is absolutely no logic in punishing someone when the fault lies with someone else. Send in a bug report and wait for it to be fixed.

    So, stop with all the insults and blind accusations. And please, mind your manners.
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  9. #19
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    Luna Belle
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiYuki View Post
    If something like this happens, it is most definitely a bug and oversight. There is absolutely no logic in punishing someone when the fault lies with someone else. Send in a bug report and wait for it to be fixed.
    So, stop with all the insults and useless arguments and please, mind your manners.
    I already sent in a bug report.
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  10. #20
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    Shadry Stone
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    It's got to be a bug... I locked a friend out by withdrawing, I felt really bad about it, lucky for me she's a RL friend and just laughed it off.
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