SE Please Stop. Dialogue that Presumes My Sexual Orientation Breaks Immersion.

[Nanaho]

>...> Is this really an issue? -_-;

[Chasely]

>...> Is this really an issue? -_-;

Yes. It's not about the fact there are forced lesbian interactions between female PCs and NPCs in the story. It's more the way female NPCs in the game are treated. They're prostitutes, almost completely naked dancers, nameless rape victims, and the only women in any kind of authority positions are completely useless. Nanamo has no authority whatsoever, Kan E Senna refuses to do anything for fear of upsetting the forest, for all her blustering the admiral never leaves her office, and Minfilia... Don't even get me started on that milquetoast. She's supposed to lead you, but she can't make a single decision without your help. I doubt she even clothes herself.

I understand we're supposed to be the heroes, but every major male NPC has had some kind of useful role in our story so far; even some minor male NPCs have been useful. With the addition of Yugiri and a certain ROG story line NPC SE has been slightly better at female representation in-game, but it still leaves much to be desired.

[kyuven]

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2/3 of the leaders (4/5 if you count Nanamo) 3 of the scions, and Yugiri are female.
The only males in the main story of any real importance are Urianger, Thancred, Papalymo, Cid, and Raubahn on the heroes' side. The twins too but they cancel each other out thanks to being opposite genders. Hell Thancred was "in distress" longer than Minfilia was! Also, Minfilia is a bureaucrat, not a combatant. Like Nanamo, who is an aristocrat. You don't have to be a combatant to be a strong woman.

The gender balance in FFXIV is better than the games that preceded it AND succeeded it in the franchise.

[Chasely]

2/3 of the leaders (4/5 if you count Nanamo) 3 of the scions, and Yugiri are female.
The only males in the main story of any real importance are Urianger, Thancred, Papalymo, Cid, and Raubahn on the heroes' side. The twins too but they cancel each other out thanks to being opposite genders. Hell Thancred was "in distress" longer than Minfilia was! Also, Minfilia is a bureaucrat, not a combatant. Like Nanamo, who is an aristocrat. You don't have to be a combatant to be a strong woman.

The gender balance in FFXIV is better than the games that preceded it AND succeeded it in the franchise.

And I explained why all of those women were placed there simply as pretty figureheads who contribute nothing to the overall story. You could remove every single one of them and all we'd lose are a few 'well-placed' camera shots. Even when Thancred was in distress, he was still in a position of power. He was chosen because he was strong. He was given depth and vulnerability. His recovery also made him a better character. Minfilia got tied up and tortured, all of her comrades were brutally murdered, and she came out of it exactly the same as before she went in. Her resolve wasn't strengthened, she didn't join in the fight. She doesn't even interact with foreign dignitaries. She sends other people out to do all of that for her. I dread every single time I have to go talk to her, because I know exactly how it will go down, "Oh, gee... I-- I just don't know what to do! Someone please decide for me!"

And Raubahn does what exactly? Or Thancred except for being mind controlled? They don't make decisions or jack either. Cid, Biggs, and Wedge all join the peanut gallery and leave you to deal with the dragon and ultima, etc. and only show up when they are dead like Garuda. You are the main actor of the story, the rest are props to help move the story along.

I think some people are deliberately misinterpreting it as "forced lesbian interactions between female PCs and NPCs". If that floats your boat fine. Other wise there is nothing going on and it is only your imagination at work.

Raubahn runs the entire country from the shadows. He set up transportation for us, helped us get information on enemy locations, helped us with supplies, and he protects the poor, weak Nanamo from the big, bad syndicate. Thancred joins us on intelligence gathering missions, he fights with us early on, he has the best fight scenes in the game, and when Minfilia finally decided to almost do something of value, he went along to protect her. Cid created the devices we needed in order to access new parts of the game. Biggs and Wedge taught us lore and helped us track down some bad guys. jsut becuase they didn't join us for raids does not mean they weren't presented as strong, capable characters.

[NyarukoW]

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Raubahn runs the entire country from the shadows. He set up transportation for us, helped us get information on enemy locations, helped us with supplies, and he protects the poor, weak Nanamo from the big, bad syndicate. ...

Sounds like an administrator/bureaucrat to me like Minfilia. Minfilia does the same sort of thing and is leading the effort to protect all of Eorzea. You choose to look at that things from a limited perspective and then falsely represent what you see. If anything SE has been very even in treatment of all its storyline characters as well as the part-time extras they fit here and there. This discussion here and the so-called outrage is really nothing more than a storm in a teacup. Let SE have the freedom and benefit of the doubt to tell the story as they like. Do NOT go off on possible misinterpretation and then get all mad get all holier-than-thou with everyone.

[LunaHoshino]

Even when Thancred was in distress, he was still in a position of power. He was chosen because he was strong.

What? You're absolutely wrong. He was chosen because he ran himself ragged to the point it made him weak and therefore vulnerable to influence.

If you actually pay attention to his character at all, he spends a lot of time worrying that he's not up to par compared with the other Scions-- in other words, that he isn't strong.

[NyarukoW]

.... She's supposed to lead you, but she can't make a single decision without your help. I doubt she even clothes herself....

And Raubahn does what exactly? Or Thancred except for being mind controlled? They don't make decisions or jack either. Cid, Biggs, and Wedge all join the peanut gallery and leave you to deal with the dragon and ultima, etc. and only show up when they are dead like Garuda. You are the main actor of the story, the rest are props to help move the story along.

I think some people are deliberately misinterpreting it as "forced lesbian interactions between female PCs and NPCs". If that floats your boat fine. Other wise there is nothing going on and it is only your imagination at work.

[WinterSolstice]

This is a Japanese game. They have a very different idea of sexuality and such than a lot of you. If you are going to play their game, you are going to need to get over yourself and accept it.
This is shown evident when Yoshi basically said they were forced to allow same-sex eternal bonds, which is why it's not called marriage and shouldn't be referred to such.

All of you sprouting bullshit about how oppressed women are in this game need to understand that the game itself comes from a different culture than your own (most likely). Stop victimizing yourself, because that's not even close to the intent of the developers.

I hope this thread is locked soon, we don't need this nonsense on here.

[Laristy]

Minfilia... Don't even get me started on that milquetoast. She's supposed to lead you, but she can't make a single decision without your help. I doubt she even clothes herself.

Minfilia is more of a politician who sends you out to kill stuff for her while she and Alphinaud do all the talking that you obviously cannot do. You almost never see her do any of that stuff because, again, you're too busy going out killing stuff. Remember that your character is a fighter, not a diplomat. Every time they bring you to a political meeting and whatnot, you're mostly there for insurance. If anything, without said useless NPCs, you wouldn't have gotten to where you are now, actually. Half the reason you're recognized as the amazing Warrior of Light is because the people of the greatest importance to the realm acknowledge you as such.

Besides, I wouldn't want to dress Minfilia either. Look at that thing, I don't even know how some of that stuff stays on! To say nothing about that butt window she's got going on there. I'm impressed that she can walk around in it with such ease.

[Snugglebutt]

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You haven't got a clue what your talking about...

Kan-E-Sama takes a vast amount of actions by her choice to do things that impacts everyone in the virtual world they live in, the admiral does in fact leave the office and fights with the hero in battles like with leviathan storyline plus has taken actions which shaped the world greatly, Minfilia is the heroes leader, the protaganist does what Minfilia tells you to regardless of if your a male character and she is one of the strongest women in the game even if that strength is not battle related using weapons. Yuguri, also a strong independent women leading her people, fighting alongside you and fighting without you in the game to achieve her own goals and that of her people.

Minfilia makes choices without your help constantly, your just one of the people she needs help from and all the people under her have active roles getting assigned tasks and being told what to do prior to your joining and after. Half of the members of Scions are female and strong independent, good at fighting women too. Another example is even off the top of my head the rogue female NPC by the name of V'Kebbe just kicked a lot of guys asses in a quest I did today including her male leaders ass for eating her sandwich when he did not realize it was hers.

Do not also forget that all those women are some of the most powerful characters in the world of which the protagonist is living in. There are many more examples of strong independent women who can not only hold their own in fighting but also are in extremely high positions within the world leading men and women actively, how easily you also forgot about how important and how active these female leaders were during the fall of dalamud which is shown clearly in the opening movie. These women were the ones giving the instructions, leading the people and making the tough choices.

Your post in here is the most ignorant one in this thread so far on the subject and as for the thread itself...mountains being made from molehills, a couple quests are not exactly how the OP wants? Too bad, not everything in the game has to be exactly how you or the OP want it and as others have stated it seems the problem she really has with that quest is her own perception which is wrong. In her example her female character is not hitting on the female NPC's, not chatting them up or trying to get laid in the quest given as an example and the dialogue does not imply that she is.

She could be potentially perceived as coming across as slightly homophobic because of her demand to remove what she perceives as potentially homo-erotic content from sight or more specifically from impacting her character. Even if she is not being homophobic of which I chose that word because it is quite unlikely that she is such, I did so in order to show just because you or I might have a perception on something does not make that perception always right and in this case on the example she gave it is her perception that is wrong and her just superimposing her own insecurities on dialogue that does not do what she claims.

Yes my character does other things that I wouldn't do. But none of those other things make me feel like SE thinks this is a "boys only" game.

If you think anything like SE thinking this game 'boys only' the problem is with you not the game, your perception is twisted by your own real life insecurities which your projecting onto the game despite as many other women and men have said in here it is your perception of the quest in your example which is wrong. The puff puff example is also not a great example because the joke (which came from Dragon quest series) is making fun of people who think those NPC's are talking about something they are not, making fun of how some people's pervy mind jumps to wrong assumptions about the women and what they are offering, you just get some puff puff which is supposed to make you feel silly for presuming that was going to get laid or see something else.

You also cannot pull the immersion nonsense because most of the things peoples characters do in game within quests or story progression is not something they might have chosen to do had they been given the choice regardless of what gender play as and I play as both using two different characters, the story in this game is linear, it is not a choose your own adventure book, it is not real life and even if was a choose your own adventure style book you still would be limited to doing certain things in order to progress the plot despite not always agreeing with how the plot progresses. Like I said, your making mountains out of molehills and whats worse is your making those mountains from wrong assumptions and perceptions with dialogue that does not imply or do what you think it does.