Ninja damage insane over monk

[dday3six]

Theres is a pretty simple explanation for that.

A monk cant use his positional requirments when fighting a mob solo to deal extra damage, same with the dragoon.
The ninja only has one positional and thats to lower the enemy slashing resistance.
I guess we'll have to wait until there are some solid numbers from raids and stuff to see the real values.

Part of the issue with Monks and Dragoons I've seen in the open world is they rarely bother to use their stuns to set up positional attacks. At any rate, few players are at 50, and I'm personally more concerned with how the job handles at level 50 in dungeons. Rather than what happens with mobs in the open world.

[roninoftagrm]

Part of the issue with Monks and Dragoons I've seen in the open world is they rarely bother to use their stuns to set up positional attacks. At any rate, few players are at 50, and I'm personally more concerned with how the job handles at level 50 in dungeons. Rather than what happens with mobs in the open world.

they have alot less issues than either class/job, every dungeon i've run with was dancing around mobs, maybe in celebration of not having stay behind anything, though there is that one skill:trick attack, requires hide and increases all damage received by 10%... for 10s, hmmm, ya, no, thats forever off my bar

edit:remembered there was a flank skill as a 1-2-3 combo lowers slash resist and healing, yay, another dragoon style class(flanking not cowering)

[Leonus]

You're gonna need TA on your bar....

Suiton mudra combo let's you use it.... without having to hide.

[ShaolinMike]

You're gonna need TA on your bar....

Suiton mudra combo let's you use it.... without having to hide.

This. Plus, ninja (and other jobs as well) can do a lot of damage in 10s. That's essentially 3 GCDs = roughly 6 skills used.

[EdwinFade]

though there is that one skill:trick attack, requires hide and increases all damage received by 10%... for 10s, hmmm, ya, no, thats forever off my bar

This is wrong on so many levels, haha. Trick Attack is the best if not the second best ability that monks have...easily. The only other thing that is going to compare is Huton the 15% attack speed buff for 70s. That 10% additional from Trick Attack is from the WHOLE PARTY/RAID. This adds up to way more dps than using sneak attack. Way more.

People who haven't taken the time to properly read the abilities or who are not end game raiders need to stop screaming about OP and imbalances. 1 positional they probably wont even have to use in raid (your raid should have a warrior) does not constitute as positional dependent class. Their sneak/trick attack are positional as well, I haven't forgotten, but they have a 1m cooldown and it is easy to perform. No reason you should botch that.

[Morzy]

Part of the issue with Monks and Dragoons I've seen in the open world is they rarely bother to use their stuns to set up positional attacks..

As a solo monk I literally use the stun a long with other abilities as soon as they're available. When I do stun, I go for positions, but monks do positions in almost every single move so a 4 second stun every 40 seconds isn't gonna help me much.

Personally I enjoy monk solo because I can run around the mob and laugh when I get the position bonus.

[Saseal]

Part of the issue with Monks and Dragoons I've seen in the open world is they rarely bother to use their stuns to set up positional attacks. At any rate, few players are at 50, and I'm personally more concerned with how the job handles at level 50 in dungeons. Rather than what happens with mobs in the open world.

The majority I ever see of ninjas in lvl 50 dungeons and raids are of that of receiving shit tons of damage and dropping faster than specifically loldrgs/lolmnks :\
I'll sometimes come across one or two that don't seem to have this affliction of suicidal tendencies, but not often...

Maybe that's the trade off >_> High damage output - but high damage input, too....

For the OP;
Pretty much what everyone probably already mentioned....
ForDRG/MNK, you can't really compare if fighting an open world monster that isn't being tanked - because of positionals. All the additional damage is based on standing behind or beside the monster ---- and you can't really do that as a MNK/DRG unless the mob is A.) stunned, B.) stuck in casting position for a few moments (and you were quick enough to move to get more than a hit or two in).
But for MNK... granted you'll get those kinds of aforementioned moments to start setting up, but then the rotation/greased lightning is messed up again when the monster rotates itself. MNK is all about building that greased lightning, as they're more for building up their damage output in hitting GL III.
DRG I have little experience with, so I can't say much - but as far as I know, they're moreso made for spike damage with positionals. I don't think they have a buildup like MNK's greased lightning to go through to hit their max damage output/cieling.

NIN just... kinda does whatever the hell it wants (not speaking of mudras), where ever the hell it wants without any of the above mentioned challenges (exception is messing up a mudra, I guess).