Keep past content out of Cash Shop

[Mjollnir]

Hrm, thanks for that comment. Everyone I've spoken with said what I posted. Ugh, I def need to listen to that keynote. What I took from that was the minions would be tradable in game - they're not exclusive, you can sell them on the market board.

Pretty sure (tho it was a long day, so by all means clarify from the video) Ferne translated it as "The minions will not be exclusive to the cash shop and will be obtainable in-game" in the context of complaints on the forums. There was quite a rousing cheer after that, so if it was misunderstood, it was misunderstood by most ppl present.

Guess we're pretty close to finding out for sure anyhow^^

[MordredXIII]

"I believe that MMO producers like me are the nice guys, we just want to keep people playing rather than focus on nickel-and-diming people."
-Naoki Yoshida, interview with gamerevolution.com

Cash shop = nickel and diming

Although it won't be a nickel, it will be five bucks.

[Evenstar]

too many people are leaving the game due to a (cash shop) This is a pay to play.
fantasia, transfers, name changes are fine but not ingame items such as mounts past event items. In my experience with past mmos the pay to plays start with selling mounts, pets but then it goes to housing items and more then becomes a free to play some day with a market keeping the game going. I do not want this I know many players that are not happy with it.
P.S. I have the right to speak out like everyone else, I am someone that has stuck it out with square for over 15 years, The last post I made I got in trouble over because I talked about how much I have enjoyed final fantasy for the 15+ years and I was told that was breaking the tos. Be good to your fans SE. And learn some customer service skills asap!

Did WoW go F2P?

[Roris]

Did WoW go F2P?

A single exception does not the norm make. Besides it's the main template everyone uses to paint their own MMO by the numbers, ARR included, of course the original would stay P2P while the cheaper copies eventually fall for the F2P pits, especially shortly after adding a cash shop. Rift so far has been the longest lasting as P2P while also being the most WoW cloniest of clones, and even that only lasted 2 years and also managed to release an expansion while being P2P, so make of that what you will.

[Jynx]

I'm still looking for the option to make cash shop purchases invisible so I can see who earned their vanity and who just threw their wallet at it.

[Savarast]

I am already paying ~15$ a month to fund -both- development and maintenance. This means they are using my money to develop things that I can't get without paying more money to get. In addition to the monthly cost we did also pay the initial game cost (30-60$) plus we get to pay that again with each expansion that is coming down the line. I don't feel the argument that "it is just cosmetic" is valid when considering they are using the resources we put into the game to create content we are restricted from. But actual game content costs money. Money we put in to -get- that content. That content has -already- been paid for by the money we put in. But we are to be convinced that we want to spend more for things we already paid for.

[Savarast]

Had a lot more to say that the above post. 1000 characters really?

TL : DR

Fantasia = ok
Sever Change = ok
Name Change = ok
(OK since it does not impact users, and doesn't give the feeling of having to buy things to get the full content of the game)


Small Vanity set = maybe
minion = maybe
mount = maybe
(OK if released very rarely and in small quantities, always along with new in-game content. View it as "Patch x.x collectors perks", hell, sell it that way)


Past Content = No
Predominant Vanity release = no
Exp, levels, Grind-ed stuff = no
(Not ok since it is selling content that we already -paid- for with our subscriptions, reduces the value of our subscription, or gives unfair advantages to buyers)

Feedback: Anything added to the cash shop should be -very- affordable. At 1$ a minion, 1$ for a vanity (5$ for a whole set), and 5$ a mount you'd rack in more than enough dollars.

[Malric]

Did WoW go F2P?

Wow did not go F2P (yet)

However they DID go pay to Win in the worst sense of the term (you can buy a pre-leveled character)

Oh yeah, and their cash shop model for WoW, Diablo III, etc. prompted them to totally ditch the subscription model. (this means ALL their future games will be f2p)

Wow has like 7 million people left paying, that's $105,000,000.00+ a MONTH.

When that income source is gone, WoW will go F2P, but no one in their right mind would drop a sub at that rate.

Especially when the bulk of them are in China where they pay by the MINUTE to play (Gold farmers pay much more $$ than we do for their subs).

In time WoW will be a free to play game (it may just take a long time).

All other games that follow the same developmental course go free to play much faster.

[Naylia]

How about we keep past content in the past? If you didn't participate in the event, why should you get the gear for either $1 or 10 gil.....

[Savarast]

How about we keep past content in the past? If you didn't participate in the event, why should you get the gear for either $1 or 10 gil.....

Well, I suppose so. But again that restricts content which is kinda shitty, especially given how central vanity looks are to these types of games. I think it should be acquired like the Lightning Returns, Shantotto, Breaking bricks events, meaning the events come back in some cyclical nature... say once a year or two. If you want a symbol of your long-standing subscription... they could put "Pumpkin Head(2013)" "Pumpkin Head(2014)" Etc.