Dark Knight

[Nel_Celestine]

Am I salty about the Job being a tank? Yes
Am I annoyed that it doesn't fit past games versions of Dark Knight? Yes
Will I still play it? Begrudgingly Yes

I have been wanting Dark Knight since 1.0's intro trailer had Derp-Lander with a Great Sword. I RP'd having one, researched and used old Dark Knight lore from previous games. Dark Knight has always been my go to class for high damage output. I feel a bit cheated by this but accept that they have to add tanks to the game. I just feel there are several better options to pick from than Dark Knight.

Arc Knight
Holy Knight
Sentinel
Viking
Rune Knight / Rune Fencer
Templar

[Ecks007]

I'ma stop you right there, spamming flash is indeed OP at lower levels. Up until... 40-ish you can just spam flash and then spend all your GCD combo'n Riot Blade to get your MP back just fine. The only thing this doesn't really apply to is bosses.

Fixed that for you. Unless your group massively out gears you, and I mean full I40 ahead of you, flash is still pretty king.

Hmm, well I suppose then you can flash spam? I don't personally suggest it though, as I can tank and maintain hate just fine without having to burn my MP so quickly.

I have seen tanks that just use flash and easily have aggro ripped from them by White Mages and Bards.. so I dunno. I mean, they obviously weren't using their Riot Blade combo correctly and were purely relying on flash.

You say that this works, but I have seen otherwise on many occasions. So I am going to trust my experiences because it has proven to be correct.

[Lemuria]

so is the general idea that a lot of people who wanted to play DRK are now not going to play DRK because they don't want to tank?

I think it's more that they would have preferred Dark Knight to stick to its roots rather then deviating quite so horrendously. Going from an outright DPS to a tank is a pretty big leap, especially for a job which traditionally sacrifices HP to fight.

It means either (a) Dark Knight is going to be missing most of its iconic nature or (b) it's going to be the most annoying tank for healers ever devised.

[Nel_Celestine]

I think it's more that they would have preferred Dark Knight to stick to its roots rather then deviating quite so horrendously. Going from an outright DPS to a tank is a pretty big leap, especially for a job which traditionally sacrifices HP to fight.

It means either (a) Dark Knight is going to be missing most of its iconic nature or (b) it's going to be the most annoying tank for healers ever devised.

Pretty much this is spot on for my opinion.

[Exstal]

It's as if you people haven't played Dark Knight. Takes HP to attack, takes HP back from enemies. Who's to say it can't do that?

If you ignore FFXI, the only game in the numbered series that pulled a lot of wild things, then there are only two tanks- Knight (Paladin), Viking

So you want 2 tanks? Okay.

[WellGramarye]

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I run nearly every dungeon with a geared BLM (who has a wonderful flare/double flare/triple flare rotation,) and sometimes a geared WHM and not so geared BRD (though who does impeccable song rotations [Ballad between pulls, Requiem during fights] due to being in the same room as me.) At any level you have enough MP to Flash about 7-8 times (depending on mp refresh tic) from full MP. On any group of 3 or more mobs during pull -> Shield Toss High priority mob -> FoF -> Flash -> Scorn -> Flash x 6 -> Rotate Riot Blade and Flash some more. You will lose hate if a couple of things are happening:

1.) People attack/agro the mob before you and pull it out of your Flash/Scorn range (this happens a lot with Bards who try to dps while you pull or mages who use Regen during pulls. In this case, there is nothing you can do except try to regain hate with provoke and other abilities.

2.) Your party massively out gears you. Again this is talking I40 + difference. Flash emnity is based on your weapon base damage. If their damage > your damage by a large margin then it will be hard to keep hate period. In this case, the solution is to farm better gear.

3.) The fight is taking forever. Yes eventually you WILL lose hate over a period of like 4-5 minutes, but if the fight is taking this long then your party is massively under geared for the content. Even same geared as drop parties should be able to burn through a normal pull in decent enough time (Eg: i80 party in a dungeon that drops i80 gear.) IF the fight takes forever then the healer has to heal more, thus creeping up on the emnity list. There are a few things going wrong here if this is happening. The healer isn't helping to dps, the dps have bad gear or rotations, the tank isn't using proper cooldown rotations. This is mostly a failure of the entire party.

[Jacost]

It's apparently an evade-tank? I guess if it does have abilities that sacrifice it's own HP, evasion is the only kind of tanking it could afford to do...

[EdwinLi]

Dark Knight will probably have an offensive stance and deal damage comparable to Warrior, if not more damage. Each class has it's own strengths, perhaps DRK will excel at being on Main Tank for shorter periods of time so the heavier tanks can tank longer, so the DRK can dps more.

We don't know.

But I am REALLY glad it's a tank. DRK being a tank mean less people will confidently play it, and since I've got WAR and PLD, I'm so ready to play my favorite job.

You know that will be very interesting to see if they started to design Stand Alone Jobs with the ability to fit into 2 Job Roles. Though Dark Knight is now a Tank only role, I do hope future stand alone Jobs will have the ability to take on 2 Job Roles for group content.

It's apparently an evade-tank? I guess if it does have abilities that sacrifice it's own HP, evasion is the only kind of tanking it could afford to do...

That and HP Drain abilities, Keep in mind it is possible they also kept the HP Drain aspect of Dark Knight so it can be a Evading/HP Drain Tank. This would allow Dark Knight to steal HP from enemies to keep itself alive which can be a very vital mechanic for Dark Knight as a Tank.

[dragonfire8974]

There is a reason I want this as a dps , and that is just because dps jobs are easier and more accessible in my opinion and I really wanna play drk

[MidlaneGod]

It's really annoying when Ffxi vets gets really obnoxious and salty when they dont get things their way.