[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Estevo]

Yes

I would like a more classic summoner one with a real pet similar to the primal shape instead of the floating little element thing we have now. A pet that does strong bursts of damage nada job that's primary job is to use our pet. Not this DoT class, a real summoner.

Though SE won't do it, they've made nothing but bad decisions recently, proving their "butchering classic FF jobs" wasn't a one time thing that ends with smn, with the addition if dark knight

FALSE

...The dark knight has no base class

do you realize if this phrase means what we think it means... that the entire armoury system will eventually become one big beautiful classless world?

That only the jobs will remain, that all the abilities will revolve around the creative concepts of the jobs.

This is HUGE, this is the type of thing that will steer gameplay in the right direction! We may not be living the dream yet but I love where this is heading!

[Estevo]

@Dwill

They are FF11 players. If the class is not what it was in 11 its a bastardization and goes against everything.

Summoner isn't a summoner because it summons but doesn't summon like it does in 11.

If the ff14 Summoner had five 60 sec cool downs, NO PET, that did damage but the spell effect was a primal instead of a fire ball for example would this thread not exist?

I contributed to this thread because I wanted to give feedback on how the Egis' design doesn't even compare to Carbuncle's, in terms of purpose that is, carbuncle is cute by nature, while the egis are cute because they're freaks of nature, or at least primal nature. as well as that the pet mechanics could use some serious improvement in the fun factor, because it doesn't contribute much at all to the gameplay. BTW I never played ff11 and never compared the egis to any other ff game.

I'm still in love the idea of primals and summoners at heart

[Akiza]

SE is getting rid of classes in 3.0 anyways so will simply have jobs. The Summoner having a Hyur Highlander scaled Egi that resembled the Primals is not wanting a Final Fantasy XI Summoner its wanting a respectable pet.
Since the Egis already have Normal Mode Primal abilities giving the Egis Hard Mode Primal abilities is entirely within reason

[dragonfire8974]

Do you honestly think that drk will have hp sacrificing abilities to buff them as a tank class? Sure it's speculation but I highly doubt it, that wouldn't even make sense.


Play a FF game. I'll give you a hint, it's not a DoT job

If you read any part of the thread there have been responses to your point, both snarky and not. summons have traditionally been glorified blm spells with longer cast times, even becoming over shadowed by those endgame black Mage spells. Summoner is not a job on its own in final fantasy, it has always been paired with something else. Dwill's point is that, summons are never the only or even the main part of any summoner

[Exstal]

The Summoner having a Hyur Highlander scaled Egi that resembled the Primals is not wanting a Final Fantasy XI Summoner

Except that's exactly what is it is.

[Dwill]

Play a FF game. I'll give you a hint, it's not a DoT job

I'll let you guess what the majority of Final Fantasy games are. I'll give you a hint, there are not MMOs.

[Madoka]

FALSE

...The dark knight has no base class

do you realize if this phrase means what we think it means... that the entire armoury system will eventually become one big beautiful classless world?
!

Or it's a 2nd job for MRD/PLD

[Skaramush]

I really enjoyed playing SMN/WHM in FFXI and i was looking forward to even cooler summons in IV and seeing First EGI was simply put a shock how awefull they are. The class itself is fine mechanically but its soul sucking and boring spamming dots while playing SMN in FFXI for all its flaws was EPIC. +1 Egi need a complete overall . I was so upset at seeing first egi in game i quit and only came back now when they announced Dark Knight will probably change to another class once i unlocked SMN.

What im interested in whether the devs honestly think the summons are fine as is?

[Senliten]

The class itself is fine mechanically but its soul sucking and boring spamming dots

Welcome to MMO pet classes 101, where when powerful enough all you need to do is sic yer pet on stuff and toss a heal here or there mindlessly outside of raiding. No really, if it's boring then why play it?

Also honestly, can we please drop this nonsense about how an MMO class is not like/should be like the other types in SINGLE PLAYER based games, outside the exception of FFXI, which... well tl;dr FFXI.
Summy isn't going to get any real massive overhaul at all. Maybe new egi skins but same/recreated/scrambled moves later down the road, but nothing else.

[Cidolfas86]

Except that's exactly what is it is.

Wanting a better aesthetic for summons isn't wanting 11. Its wanting a better aesthetic for summons. They are quite hideous compared to their primal brothers.

Summy isn't going to get any real massive overhaul at all. Maybe new egi skins but same/recreated/scrambled moves later down the road, but nothing else.

You nor I have any idea what they have planned for the job to make absolute statements like that. MMOs are constantly evolving. Who knows what this game, or more specifically SMN, will be like 5 years from now.