[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Exstal]

I didn't say I misunderstood. I said it's nonsense.

[Eardstapa]

Akiza... Just give it up. Summoner wasn't even good in XI. So what if their summons were of a larger scale? The game play allowed it. Your concepts and ideas have always been incredibly overpowered and illogical, and mostly for your own personal gains, whilst ignoring the entire in game lore behind summoners...

[Mimilu]

You guys are all still here?
The movies over...
Go home!

[IveraIvalice]

Yes

I would like a more classic summoner one with a real pet similar to the primal shape instead of the floating little element thing we have now. A pet that does strong bursts of damage nada job that's primary job is to use our pet. Not this DoT class, a real summoner.

Though SE won't do it, they've made nothing but bad decisions recently, proving their "butchering classic FF jobs" wasn't a one time thing that ends with smn, with the addition if dark knight

[Dwill]

Yes

I would like a more classic summoner one with a real pet similar to the primal shape instead of the floating little element thing we have now. A pet that does strong bursts of damage nada job that's primary job is to use our pet. Not this DoT class, a real summoner.

Though SE won't do it, they've made nothing but bad decisions recently, proving their "butchering classic FF jobs" wasn't a one time thing that ends with smn, with the addition if dark knight

Yes, because a Dark Knight using Dark Magic while wielding a two-handed sword is totally a butchering of the class.

By the way, which is the real summoner ?

• The White Mage with AoE Nukes ?
• The White Mage with a one trick pony for summons ?
• The Black Mage with high MP cost AoE Nukes that were nearly never used ?
• The one that took them forever to cast for "Meh" damage ?
• The jack of all trade, master of none ?
• The ones where every body could summon them based on nothing but the player's choice ?
  
• The one where the near entire pool of summons is close to useless ?
• The one where you had nearly no control over and you lose everyone but the one who summons it ?

Go on, take your pick.

It's pretty funny to read what the wannabe Final Fantasy scholars are bringing for arguments though.

[IveraIvalice]

Yes, because a Dark Knight using Dark Magic while wielding a two-handed sword is totally a butchering of the class.

Do you honestly think that drk will have hp sacrificing abilities to buff them as a tank class? Sure it's speculation but I highly doubt it, that wouldn't even make sense.

By the way, which is the real summoner ?

Play a FF game. I'll give you a hint, it's not a DoT job

[Einheri]

@Dwill

They aren't Final Fantasy Scholars. They are FF11 players. If the class is not what it was in 11 its a bastardization and goes against everything.

The 007 hint dropped for the next class already has threads going saying SE is destroying the gun class every one wanted cause its may or may not be a dps. These people will never be happy and for every class there will be posts and posts about how its different and wrong.

Summoner isn't a summoner because it summons but doesn't summon like it does in 11.

DRK isn't a DRK because it doesn't DRK like 11. We can not give enough examples of FF universe lore and history to prove to them otherwise.

If the ff14 Summoner had five 60 sec cool downs, NO PET, that did damage but the spell effect was a primal instead of a fire ball for example would this thread not exist?

I feel guilty perpetuating this thread.

[dday3six]

Do you honestly think that drk will have hp sacrificing abilities to buff them as a tank class? Sure it's speculation but I highly doubt it, that wouldn't even make sense.

Myself, I think Dark Knight will have HP sacrifices which will replenish MP/TP.

Play a FF game. I'll give you a hint, it's not a DoT job

Every job has DOTS even Ninja. Summoner and Scholar have more of them, so they can focus on doing other things (like controlling their pets) well while still dealing damage.

[IveraIvalice]

@Dwill

They aren't Final Fantasy Scholars. They are FF11 players. If the class is not what it was in 11 its a bastardization and goes against everything.

The 007 hint dropped for the next class already has threads going saying SE is destroying the gun class every one wanted cause its may or may not be a dps. These people will never be happy and for every class there will be posts and posts about how its different and wrong.

Summoner isn't a summoner because it summons but doesn't summon like it does in 11.

DRK isn't a DRK because it doesn't DRK like 11. We can not give enough examples of FF universe lore and history to prove to them otherwise.
If the ff14 Summoner had five 60 sec cool downs, NO PET, that did damage but the spell was a primal instead of a fire ball for example would this thread not exist?

I feel guilty perpetuating this thread.

Don't know where ffxi came in but your whole theory is that everyone and their grandma wants ffxi here. And if I said "no" then the whole argument becomes invalid.

Not wanting a purely DoT smn does not mean "give me ffxi summoner or I hate everything"

I can't think of a single summoner in any FF game that is like it is here.
I'm honestly not here to argue, I said what I wanted too, SE will do nothing about it and we will all move on

[dday3six]

I can't think of a single summoner in any FF game that is like it is here.

While that might be the case, the issue is ultimately that while this is a FF numbered title it is also an MMO. Single Player game aspects are hard pressed to translate directly to an MMO.