Onward to Patch 1.19

[Reika]

I think its pretty stupid too. Actually, I know its stupid. They should have waited til WHM and BLM job unlocks to have aoe-only cures and split elemental DD off into BLM Job. People who wanted to be healer go WHM, people who wanted to blow sht up go BLM. SIMPLE SE.... simple.

They totally jacked conj up. Now theyre attack spells are more for soloing than they are for partying.

[Betelgeuzah]

I think its pretty stupid too. Actually, I know its stupid. They should have waited til WHM and BLM job unlocks to have aoe-only cures and split elemental DD off into BLM Job. People who wanted to be healer go WHM, people who wanted to blow sht up go BLM. SIMPLE SE.... simple.

They totally jacked conj up. Now theyre attack spells are more for soloing than they are for partying.

If nukes are useless, nukes are useless regardless of if there is a blm job or not.

SE needs to add more utility for that role, simple as that. Should they wait and not implement anything before they're done? Sounds like a selfish request.

[Reika]

If nukes are useless, nukes are useless regardless of if there is a blm job or not.

SE needs to add more utility for that role, simple as that. Should they wait and not implement anything before they're done? Sounds like a selfish request.

Nukes are useless because it takes away from precious healing mp, which btw drains casters pretty fast now. Spells in general drain casters pretty fast now, there's not enuf MP in the pool to do both. Move nukes to a different job and now you have the MP to do what you're meant to do.

[Betelgeuzah]

Nukes are useless because it takes away from precious healing mp, which btw drains casters pretty fast now. Spells in general drain casters pretty fast now, there's not enuf MP in the pool to do both. Move nukes to a different job and now you have the MP to do what you're meant to do.

In which case the job simply becomes an outcast like blm in XI. If healing is more precious than nuking its better to take another healer to the dungeon instead. There is no utility, there is no demand.

They need to figure out some XIII type functions (stagger) to make nuking an important part of the gameplay. You can't just force it on a job and expect everyone to invite one to your dungeon if they didn't do so before.

[Reika]

In which case the job simply becomes an outcast like blm in XI. If healing is more precious than nuking its better to take another healer to the dungeon instead. There is no utility, there is no demand.

They need to figure out some XIII type functions (stagger) to make nuking an important part of the gameplay. You can't just force it on a job and expect everyone to invite one to your dungeon if they didn't do so before.

Of course take 4-7 healers, because monsters dont have HP that need dropping right? Its not as simple as you think. Groups need X amount of tanks, Y amount of DD, and Z amount heals. Saying 'Just take another healer over the nuker' is the same as taking another healer over a lancer, marauder, gladiator, pugilist, and archer, because none of them can heal either.

And seriously, An MMO/Final Fantasy without a nuker mage job? That doesn't and shouldn't exsist anywhere.

[Betelgeuzah]

Of course take 4-7 healers, because monsters dont have HP that need dropping right? Its not as simple as you think. Groups need X amount of tanks, Y amount of DD, and Z amount heals. Saying 'Just take another healer over the nuker' is the same as taking another healer over a lancer, marauder, gladiator, pugilist, and archer, because none of them can heal either.

And seriously, An MMO/Final Fantasy without a nuker mage job? That doesn't and shouldn't exsist anywhere.

If you have enough healers, why not let someone come as a nuker? If you don't have enough healers, why take a nuker/DD instead?

[AarosLunos]

Nukes are useless because it takes away from precious healing mp, which btw drains casters pretty fast now. Spells in general drain casters pretty fast now, there's not enuf MP in the pool to do both. Move nukes to a different job and now you have the MP to do what you're meant to do.

No nukes are useless because they are woefully under powered in the traditional FF sense. Look at the 'ancient magics' like Flare. . .LOL. I'm sorry that some Conjurers feel like SE personally killed grandma, but we needed a better more defined healer class. Just like we need a better more defined nuking class (with actual effective nukes). Some players take it way to personally especially considering that 1) THM and CON were the most ambiguously defined classes in the game 2) HURRR 1.19 and 1.20 will continue to introduce more adjustments which will probably further define CON and THM.

[Reika]

No nukes are useless because they are woefully under powered in the traditional FF sense. Look at the 'ancient magics' like Flare. . .LOL. I'm sorry that some Conjurers feel like SE personally killed grandma, but we needed a better more defined healer class. Just like we need a better more defined nuking class (with actual effective nukes). Some players take it way to personally especially considering that 1) THM and CON were the most ambiguously defined classes in the game 2) HURRR 1.19 and 1.20 will continue to introduce more adjustments which will probably further define CON and THM.

Well that too lol. I dont know how they are going to fix Conj and thaum unless they move spells from one to the other. Giving conj ALL the aoe heals, ALL the highest revives, ALL the elemental nukes (even tho theyre weaksause), ALL the ailment cures, and ALL the main defensive buffs.... they need to triple conj's MP pool!

The only thing i see happening is Thaum cross classing all but the conj-specifics so conj can heal and thaum can nuke. However as the OP mentioned, some Conj dont want to be bottlenecked as a healer. It is pretty unfair to them for them to do the spells like this.

Hell, at least you're wanted for parties.

If your class doesn't start with the letters, G, A, or C, you're not getting a party.

Something many were afraid would happen. It happened alot early on in FFXI. Dark Knights especially had no place in parties...

If you have enough healers, why not let someone come as a nuker? If you don't have enough healers, why take a nuker/DD instead?

Because now, if you've been to the R50 Dungeon, people want MOAR conjs. MOAR AND MOAR. if you don't have at least 3 conj you have a bad party! Now you can only have 8 players in, 3 or more spots are taken by conj because of theyre do-too-much setup. Now who do we have to leave out? FFXI all over again, except with 2 extra party slots.

[AarosLunos]

Well that too lol. I dont know how they are going to fix Conj and thaum unless they move spells from one to the other. Giving conj ALL the aoe heals, ALL the highest revives, ALL the elemental nukes (even tho theyre weaksause), ALL the ailment cures, and ALL the main defensive buffs.... they need to triple conj's MP pool!

The only thing i see happening is Thaum cross classing all but the conj-specifics so conj can heal and thaum can nuke. However as the OP mentioned, some Conj dont want to be bottlenecked as a healer. It is pretty unfair to them for them to do the spells like this.

Well I'm sure if they do something to balance out the elemental spells both THM and CONs would bitch anyways as well. No matter what SE does someone will still 'insist' on posting like SE personally intended harm. Also people forget that there are missing classes from the game and they will be released eventually. Some being mage classes. It would be much easier to bring balance to DoM with a hybrid healer, hybrid nuker and hybrid debuffer classes.