Thread: Onward to Patch 1.19

Originally Posted by Reika

Nukes are useless because it takes away from precious healing mp, which btw drains casters pretty fast now. Spells in general drain casters pretty fast now, there's not enuf MP in the pool to do both. Move nukes to a different job and now you have the MP to do what you're meant to do.

In which case the job simply becomes an outcast like blm in XI. If healing is more precious than nuking its better to take another healer to the dungeon instead. There is no utility, there is no demand.

They need to figure out some XIII type functions (stagger) to make nuking an important part of the gameplay. You can't just force it on a job and expect everyone to invite one to your dungeon if they didn't do so before.

Originally Posted by Reika

Nukes are useless because it takes away from precious healing mp, which btw drains casters pretty fast now. Spells in general drain casters pretty fast now, there's not enuf MP in the pool to do both. Move nukes to a different job and now you have the MP to do what you're meant to do.

No nukes are useless because they are woefully under powered in the traditional FF sense. Look at the 'ancient magics' like Flare. . .LOL. I'm sorry that some Conjurers feel like SE personally killed grandma, but we needed a better more defined healer class. Just like we need a better more defined nuking class (with actual effective nukes). Some players take it way to personally especially considering that 1) THM and CON were the most ambiguously defined classes in the game 2) HURRR 1.19 and 1.20 will continue to introduce more adjustments which will probably further define CON and THM.

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

No one wants me to nuke though, they want me to heal. I think that's unfair. I don't tell them how to play, why should they tell me? I am wondering how long must I wait till I can partake in the damage dealing.

Seems like 1.19, but it could also be in 1.20 as well considering that's when they want the advanced roles out by then. For all I know they could do the same thing in patch 1.19 but with the nuke spells. Make all the nukes spells cost quadruple amount and possible make the Black Mage advanced role make it cost less. ...oh that will be a glourious day when it takes 100 mp to cast a Fire II.

So yeah I know I have to wait. Probably not going to be able to enter the dungeon till they re work the stats. I don't get why those weren't done first. ; ; Just gonna have to do my crafting leves for the day and logout.

Mages are still capable of doing pretty good damage, and the debuffs are pretty useful as well on tough fights. Are people telling you you have to only heal during Darkhold or are they just looking for healers (which you don't want to do). There is no reason that a CON/THM can't be in a DPS role during Darkhold, however with that in mind groups need healers and that role is in much more demand probably.

Two entirely different situations the way I see it. Form your own group and load it with 2 or even 3 other mages to heal, then you can DPS. However I'd be wary of grouping with any mage who absolutely refused to heal 100% of the time no matter what, just like in XI. I mean even BLM's were called on to heal in emergencies.

I'd also be wary to group with a melee DPS who refused to equip self cure/sacrifice or second wind to help with their own health.

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

So... now that everyone expects me to be a healer cause I am Conjurer. Will I have to wait very long for Patch 1.19 to have the stats/damage formula adjusted?

I didn't raise Con/Thm to be a healer. Though, because of that, no one will invite me to the 50 raid instance because I refuse to be a healer. It's not fun to me.

I am really sorry to hear this. When I posted my initial reactions to the patch I hadn't even tried looking for party yet, but I predicted this would happen, and now that prediction is coming true. That is terrible!

Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

If nukes are useless, nukes are useless regardless of if there is a blm job or not.

SE needs to add more utility for that role, simple as that. Should they wait and not implement anything before they're done? Sounds like a selfish request.

Your sig admonishes reason.. but have you stopped to think about the reason nukes are useless?

Originally Posted by Sigtyr

Hell, at least you're wanted for parties.

If your class doesn't start with the letters, G, A, or C, you're not getting a party.

This is terrible. The dev team is so obstinate about not using a test server right now, and this right here is 100% caused by not PTR'ing the test server thoroughly.

Originally Posted by AarosLunos

It would be much easier to bring balance to DoM with a hybrid healer, hybrid nuker and hybrid debuffer classes.

You're really testing my patience. What hybrid healer hybrid nuker class is already in the game? Why don't you think about the stuff you post?

Originally Posted by Murugan

Mages are still capable of doing pretty good damage, and the debuffs are pretty useful as well on tough fights. Are people telling you you have to only heal during Darkhold or are they just looking for healers (which you don't want to do). There is no reason that a CON/THM can't be in a DPS role during Darkhold, however with that in mind groups need healers and that role is in much more demand probably.

Two entirely different situations the way I see it. Form your own group and load it with 2 or even 3 other mages to heal, then you can DPS. However I'd be wary of grouping with any mage who absolutely refused to heal 100% of the time no matter what, just like in XI. I mean even BLM's were called on to heal in emergencies.

I'd also be wary to group with a melee DPS who refused to equip self cure/sacrifice or second wind to help with their own health.

In my own case, I am not a fan of being main heal. That is not the gameplay I enjoy. With that said it's within my gameplay to bail the party out of dire situations.. so I'm glad to back up heal.

Originally Posted by Neptune

You're really testing my patience. What hybrid healer hybrid nuker class is already in the game? Why don't you think about the stuff you post?

Don't worry the feeling is mutual. Had you actually READ what I had posted I'm advocating for three hybrid DoM jobs. I'm not stating that there isn't a hybrid healer/nuker. Obviously there is. In short. LRN2READ

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

No one wants me to nuke though, they want me to heal. I think that's unfair. I don't tell them how to play, why should they tell me? I am wondering how long must I wait till I can partake in the damage dealing.

Seems like 1.19, but it could also be in 1.20 as well considering that's when they want the advanced roles out by then. For all I know they could do the same thing in patch 1.19 but with the nuke spells. Make all the nukes spells cost quadruple amount and possible make the Black Mage advanced role make it cost less. ...oh that will be a glourious day when it takes 100 mp to cast a Fire II.

So yeah I know I have to wait. Probably not going to be able to enter the dungeon till they re work the stats. I don't get why those weren't done first. ; ; Just gonna have to do my crafting leves for the day and logout.

Maybe it might have something to do with the fact that your Conj is the ONLY job that now has AOE cures... Idk if you had that I might want you to heal as well. Also might have something to do with the fact that the Ogre in the R50 Dungeon is also extremely resistant to any type of Nuke or DOT. So yeah MP is more efficient when you heal. There are certain areas of the dungeon where you have to nuke rather then heal, if your parties are ignoring them then well frankly get new parties.

Sleep Cure and Nuke is what I do on my Conj, your party just has to know wtf is up.

Hell, at least you're wanted for parties.

If your class doesn't start with the letters, G, A, or C, you're not getting a party.

"your supposed to healer"

I haven't been in the dungeon at all yet. I don't know very much what works well in a party to be honest. :C Poor leadership skillz, but I'd try with people I know if anything.

Back-up healing is one thing, but I am asked to be a main healer, so nothing else besides buffs/heal. In an extreme circumstance, maybe, MAYBE I'd main heal to help someone out. But if there's someone else that can do it, then I don't want to.