Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Dont you ppl have something better to worry about?

I worry about self-entitled defeatists fragmenting our community and endlessly whining until developers caves into their demands. And at the end of the day, it's not going to be enough for you; nothing will ever be enough for you. Because you perpetuate yourself as a victim, rather than as a self-actualizing individual.

Games are based on merit, and advocating that it instead conform to your proclivities is not only an affront to this game, but to the entire medium. You have the same opportunity to participate in the game as everyone else. If you can't achieve something within the game, then you're the one primarily at fault.

That said, I can recognize the practical merits of difficulty adjustment as content gets steadily phased out, and the adjustment doesn't bother me when performed for good reason. But it should not be a measure taken readily. I'm not saying that it is, but there are more than a few very vocal players greedily clamoring for it, and I can't help but wonder why. It's not a lot of players, and I wouldn't say it's the majority of the players in favor of difficulty adjustment. However, I find it prudent to address them sooner, rather than later.

Make no mistake, I am NOT advocating out of my own self-interest; I am advocating out of the best interests of the game, as I see them.
Feel free to put forth your own ideals about the game, but don't misrepresent my position.

This isn't about me versus you. This isn't about us versus them.

It's about challenging yourself.

[Illya]

I worry about self-entitled defeatists fragmenting our community and endlessly whining until developers caves into their demands. And at the end of the day, it's not going to be enough for you; nothing will ever be enough for you. Because you perpetuate yourself as a victim, rather than as a self-actualizing individual.

Games are based on merit, and advocating that it instead conform to your proclivities is not only an affront to this game, but to the entire medium. You have the same opportunity to participate in the game as everyone else. If you can't achieve something within the game, then you're the one primarily at fault.

That said, I can recognize the practical merits of difficulty adjustment as content gets steadily phased out, and the adjustment doesn't bother me when performed for good reason. But it should not be a measure taken readily. I'm not saying that it is, but there are more than a few very vocal players greedily clamoring for it, and I can't help but wonder why. It's not a lot of players, and I wouldn't say it's the majority of the players in favor of difficulty adjustment. However, I find it prudent to address them sooner, rather than later.

Make no mistake, I am NOT advocating out of my own self-interest; I am advocating out of the best interests of the game, as I see them.
Feel free to put forth your own ideals about the game, but don't misrepresent my position.

This isn't about me versus you. This isn't about us versus them.

It's about challenging yourself.

I used to think games were about having fun. Then I read this incredible life-changing post and now I realize games are SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[Tiggy]

I used to think games were about having fun. Then I read this incredible life-changing post and now I realize games are SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Belittling what people care about is much better? Games are different things to different people.

This thread is disappointing. Why can't people have a reasonable conversation without insults? Why do people carry all their prejudice into this thread and open up with insults? Why can't people read a some of the posts before insinuating what everyone is saying through the lenses of their prejudices? It's sad. Maybe I expect too much from people.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

I used to think games were about having fun. Then I read this incredible life-changing post and now I realize games are SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Having fun and taking games seriously aren't mutually exclusive. By my reckoning, it's the opposite.

Of course, you don't need to share my level of enthusiasm, but I can't help but laugh when you mock it.

Personal question: do you remain coolly apathetic towards other enthusiasts, or is it only towards gamers?

[Ganvire]

Having fun and taking games seriously aren't mutually exclusive. By my reckoning, it's the opposite.

Of course, you don't need to share my level of enthusiasm, but I can't help but laugh when you mock it.

Personal question: do you remain coolly apathetic towards other enthusiasts, or is it only towards gamers?

There's a difference between being an enthusiast and being a poopsock. Anyone can be an enthusiast; for example: I'm very enthusiastic about avoiding y'all no-fun-allowed-everything-is-a-competition types that seem to plague almost every MMO with your whiny "elite club" vitriol over "casuals" being able to enjoy the same things you do. You can mock us for wanting to share content, and we can damn well mock you for existing. Or did I miss the point?

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Or did I miss the point?

Yes, you missed the point; re-read my posts, if you're so inclined.

[Ganvire]

Yes, you missed the point; re-read my posts, if you're so inclined.

HMM. All I had to do is go a page or two back and see this lovely gem. (

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) Let me boil it down for you:

~~~~~~~~~~~NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE CHALLENGED AT THE LEVEL YOU LIKE TO BE CHALLENGED AT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Exstal]

~~~~~~~~~~~NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE CHALLENGED AT THE LEVEL YOU LIKE TO BE CHALLENGED AT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's funny how you missed the point again.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

HMM. All I had to do is go a page or two back and see this lovely gem.

Did you actually read it, or did you just look at it? Because you missed my point, again.

Let me boil it down for you:

~~~~~~~~~~~NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE CHALLENGED AT THE LEVEL YOU LIKE TO BE CHALLENGED AT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Anytime you would like to start arguing with what I said, that would be great.

Or, you know, you can just keep arguing with yourself.

Just an angry rant with invalid ideas and incorrect statements. People are not obliged to accept others opinions.

Just an angry rant with invalid ideas and incorrect statements.

I can make baseless assertions too.

You're obligated, in any reasonable argument, to CONSIDER others' opinions/positions, which you have utterly failed to do.

[NyarukoW]

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.. I can recognize the practical merits of difficulty adjustment as content gets steadily phased out, and the adjustment doesn't bother me when performed for good reason. But it should not be a measure taken readily.

Why not? SE has a schedule for releases to ship. Readily is when SE is ready. They make the call on it bases on their data. SCOB is getting adjustments 6 months later, and that is not readily, that is as scheduled, just like BCOB got it 6months later. If you don't like SE's schedule that is whole other discussion. Newer player, newbies, and patient players that don't want the hardcore experience and are willing to wait 6months should not be denied access to content.

People play for fun, and for some that is NOT "about challenging yourself". SE is smart to be inclusive and the using older content to smooth out the learning curve. And the real challenge often it not the bosses themselves, but logistics and scheduling problems of finding a static. People need to be more patient and more inclusive and NOT treat newer player, newbies with contempt.

(Keep in mind, T6-9 is the only thing I haven't touched yet in this game. My opinion is probably moot to most of you.)

Despite all the people that try to discredit you, you opinion is just as valid as those that have farmed T9 for that last 5.5 months. What you'll find is that people are not extending the benefit of the doubt to newer or players, they are not giving them the chance and opportunity to figure out the memorization patterns. On top of that they verbally abuse them and exclude them from parties, and they event want "no newbies allowed" checkbox on the PF and DF.