[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Dwill]

Citation given: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...33#post2505233

Akiza basically want the summoner from FFXI supplanted into this game. The references to black mages was that if there was a significant damage difference between the 2 of them, people wouldn't be playing smn. As the population for smn is on par with BLM (according to the latest data), people are happy and including them. By all accounts, the data indicates people are playing the class. So why divert resources to reimplement them as such which would also require significant rebalancing? What's the expected ROI?

Thanks for providing the source. I totally forgot to read that census so it will be an actual good read.

The argument is not to rebalance the class at all. It is simply to make an aesthetic change to give summoner a more summoner feel. While I agree that it would take ressources away from the developers, I think a change like this one isn't overly the top since it doesn't require any balancing of numbers whatsoever.

[Dyvid]

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Delily, I don't think you're understanding. You still have Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan Egi as pets. The only change is instead of a casting animation of Bio, Bio II, Miasma, Miasma, Shadow Flare is replaced with a summon doing a 2.5 second attack.

In a perfect world it would be lesser primal egi doing our standard DoT spells, pet are primal egi, and limit break is elder primal egi.

@Dwill while having egi attack something for 18 seconds sounds cool it would become a issue. 4 DoT means 4 egis on one thing. A full pt with 3 SMN means 12 Egis on one thing. Would become overwhelming.

[Dwill]

Delily, I don't think you're getting this. You still have Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan Egi as pets. The only change is instead of a casting animation of Bio, Bio II, Miasma, Miasma, Shadow Flare is replaced with a summon doing a 2.5 second attack.

In a perfect world it would be lesser primal egi doing our standard DoT spells, pet are primal egi, and limit break is elder primal egi

The way I got it is that duration and damage are unchanged, it would just be a graphical one and a rename of the DoTs. They could even introduce via a mini-quest à la Green Fire in WoW as in do a mini-quest line and your spell animation and name changes but power and and duration remains unchanged.

[Dyvid]

The way I got it is that duration and damage are unchanged, it would just be a graphical one and a rename of the DoTs. They could even introduce via a mini-quest à la Green Fire in WoW as in do a mini-quest line and your spell animation and name changes but power and and duration remains unchanged.

Right. Take Shadow Flare for example. Diabolos Egi comes out and does a move like this within the 3 second cast time window and places the shadow flare effect on the floor that last for 30 seconds with potency of 25 and slow effect.

[Zedd702]

I don't know if I agree with a rework per se, but I would like a couple more egi to play around with after level cap increase...

[Dwill]

Right. Take Shadow Flare for example. Diabolos Egi comes out and does a move like this within the 3 second cast time window and places the shadow flare effect on the floor that last for 30 seconds with potency of 25 and slow effect.

Pretty much. A graphical change like this could add a lot of flavor to the job without touching its balance or gameplay. And for the overwhelming amount of egi, this could be change by reducing their size drastically. Like be the size of a minion or even a little less.

[Akiza]

With reference to my previous post, I am going to have to ask you to continue your development on Heavensward and bg fixes. Redesigning every single class and rebalancing the game like this is definitely out of scope. If you can make a real argument, please come back to my office.

During expansions mmorpg's change how classes work take WoW Warlock where its was originally a DoT Caster with a Pet but when they added Demonology it became Pet Based Class while still retaining it's DoTs. Most Pet Pet Classes have a huge level of interaction between the Master and Pet and tier level pets as well.

[Akiza]

SE didn't intend for every Summoner to have Grauda as their go to pet by default even in open world I still see mostly Garuda Egi's. SE should have a quest that unlocks more powerful version of the Egis with Hard Mode Primal abilities which look like the Primals at 30% scale

[Exstal]

SE didn't intend for every Summoner to have Grauda as their go to pet by default even in open world I still see mostly Garuda Egi's. SE should have a quest that unlocks more powerful version of the Egis with Hard Mode Primal abilities which look like the Primals at 30% scale

You have absolutely zero idea what SE intended. Please stop lying.

[Akiza]

You have absolutely zero idea what SE intended. Please stop lying.

Why did SE give the Summoner three Egis with more on the way if they only intended for the Summoner to only use Garuda. If that was the case SE should just rename the Summoner Garuda Master and give us the Garuda EX Primal as a Pet and call it a day.
Anyways it doesn't matter because from looking at the patch notes Ninja with it's elemental DoTs will replace the Summoner in most Raid Parties.