Cash shop confirmed

[StrejdaTom]

These items should be in cash shop exclusive as to not compete with in game content. Can you imagine if sleipnier was awareded for odin XM and also purchasable via cash shop? Many people will just buy it. Making it so that there is no incentive.

Same with vanity gear. As it stands most require hard to get mats, thus costing upwards to 3mil gil or less. If the same vanity gear will only cost me less than $5 I'll take it and save my gil for other things.

So you would rather not be able to get it ingame at all?

[Tupsi]

So you would rather not be able to get it ingame at all?

Funny enough, some arguments say Sleipnir should be in-game, yet you'd think by now, after a year, they would have added him to the Mantle loot list at the NPC if they had any initial intentions of adding it in-game. The fallacy many seem to partake in is that they figure no items will be obtainable in-game.

Look back at 2.1-2.3 so far, most gear has been vanity as is, this way, they can actuall focus on adding more gear in-game that looks good and separate some of the ways you can obtain. What was the mantra of the FFXIV community?

"Give us options"

Isn't a cash shop an option whether you agree with it or not? Did you splurge on the Mog Station Fantasias and extra retainers?

[Lord_Zlatan]

"Give us options"

This is actually a great point. I have shamelessly used cash shops for P2W services before. It was an option.

I have also used cash shops for awesome looking vanity gear... its an option.

I really don't think that they will nickel and dime us for P2W services. However, having items in the store that are an option for players as an alternative for things in game doesn't hurt anyone in the long run.

[Nemhy]

This is actually a great point. I have shamelessly used cash shops for P2W services before. It was an option.

I have also used cash shops for awesome looking vanity gear... its an option.

I really don't think that they will nickel and dime us for P2W services. However, having items in the store that are an option for players as an alternative for things in game doesn't hurt anyone in the long run.

Except the game's economy and every single DoH/DoL class. Why invest so much effort melding your gear to tip-top shape to make cool items, when it can just be obtained for like $3?

[Wildsprite]

Except the game's economy and every single DoH/DoL class. Why invest so much effort melding your gear to tip-top shape to make cool items, when it can just be obtained for like $3?

now you're assuming things. you should really just wait and see what happens rather than assume

[Vhailor]

now you're assuming things. you should really just wait and see what happens rather than assume

He was commenting on Lord_Zlatan's post, which can be (and likely was) interpreted as advocating for the cash shop to offer non-vanity items as well (so long as they're alongside in-game options, rather than replacing them). There's not much of a way to dispute that such a move would have a negative impact on crafters, though I'm not sure how severe it would be.

[Nemhy]

now you're assuming things. you should really just wait and see what happens rather than assume

You seem to know how quotes work since you've used it yourself. Read my post again CAREFULLY and you will see that it was in reply to something. Not a general statement! =)

He was commenting on Lord_Zlatan's post, which can be (and likely was) interpreted as advocating for the cash shop to offer non-vanity items as well (so long as they're alongside in-game options, rather than replacing them). There's not much of a way to dispute that such a move would have a negative impact on crafters, though I'm not sure how severe it would be.

Not even the non-vanity aspect! A lot of the cool looking stuff requires current tier max melds to achieve. A lot of crafters will not want to bother making such a large RNG heavy investment. When a large amount of players can/will buy the finished product for like $3

[Tupsi]

Not even the non-vanity aspect! A lot of the cool looking stuff requires current tier max melds to achieve. A lot of crafters will not want to bother making such a large RNG heavy investment. When a large amount of players can/will buy the finished product for like $3

Yea about that - Some of the best looking gear I've obtained came from Say, Hullbreaker Isle - Which crafter made that again?

I agree 100%. None of this should be blamed on Yoshi. It's entirely the fault of the same greedy pencil pushers that ruined 1.0, put microtransactions in Bravely Default's 'enhanced' edition, and green lit the money drain posing as a game that is All The Bravest.

This argument doesn't work when people said: "You can't completely blame Tanaka for the mess up of 1.0", yet people were adamant in blaming him. Yoshida has quite a large say so in what goes on with ARR, look at patches - he willingly delays them if even one small aspect isn't to his liking, meaning he does have quite the say so in what goes on. It could be upper management, sure, but Yoshida doesn't get pushed around, so he's not a victim.

[Vhailor]

Look back at 2.1-2.3 so far, most gear has been vanity as is, this way, they can actuall focus on adding more gear in-game that looks good and separate some of the ways you can obtain. What was the mantra of the FFXIV community?

"Give us options"

I'm not sure the call for options was referencing the lack of variety in how we can obtain vanity gear. If so, my opinion of this community's intelligence just dropped a notch; they've added vanity gear in about every way possible.

The only aspect of gearing in which I've seen people calling in any sort of vocal fashion for options is end-game gear. Taking Yoshi-P at his word, I fail to see how the cash shop has positive bearing on this whatsoever - and obviously could have a negative effect if it leads SE to devote a larger percentage of their time to vanity items. For what it's worth, though, as someone who despises the idea of a cash shop, I don't think they're going to shift much focus towards vanity beyond what they already have, so I doubt we see a change in that regard.

Edit / Addition: Nevermind.