Cash shop confirmed

[Lux_Rayna]

You can't possibly think that everyone who plays the game is voicing an opinion or even uses the forums. Sure not a huge % of the players use the forums but those are the only ones who care enough to give feedback so that's the community to listen to.

Nope. It may come as a shocker, but a large percentage of players are simply logging in and enjoying the game. Forum feedback is too small a sample size to take seriously.

[MageBlack]

Nope. It may come as a shocker, but a large percentage of players are simply logging in and enjoying the game. Forum feedback is too small a sample size to take seriously.

Good to take inspiration from but not advise on how to run their company.

[Lux_Rayna]

Good to take inspiration from but not advise on how to run their company.

Exactly! A forum expresses an opinion, which is valid and considered, but opinions are available from a wide variety of sources.

[IveraIvalice]

Nope. It may come as a shocker, but a large percentage of players are simply logging in and enjoying the game. Forum feedback is too small a sample size to take seriously.

Then you prove my point. They don't listen to our feedback

[Starlord]

Then you prove my point. They don't listen to our feedback

Then what is the point of the forums exactly?

[IveraIvalice]

Then what is the point of the forums exactly?

Lol idk, for show. All I know is that I can't remember a single time when they changed something based on the communities reaction or just simply didn't go through with something because of our feedback. Maybe there was a time when the game was still early and I do remember them listening all through 1.0 but not anymore.

Remember the players polls? When they asked us what they wanted.
Now it's just, "it's coming, try it out, please look forward to it" and if we don't like it by then it's too late anyway

[Mysteran]

Lol idk, for show. All I know is that I can't remember a single time when they changed something based on the communities reaction or just simply didn't go through with something because of our feedback. Maybe there was a time when the game was still early and I do remember them listening all through 1.0 but not anymore.

Remember the players polls? When they asked us what they wanted.
Now it's just, "it's coming, try it out, please look forward to it" and if we don't like it by then it's too late anyway

The 35-day non-activity timer on Free Company housing causing the plot to be released. Based on player feedback they at least decided to hold off and reevaluate the idea. That gives me some hope that they will listen to feedback to some degree.

[IveraIvalice]

The 35-day non-activity timer on Free Company housing causing the plot to be released. Based on player feedback they at least decided to hold off and reevaluate the idea. That gives me some hope that they will listen to feedback to some degree.

I really hope so, I've been on full support from this game since 2010
But I don't support games/companies that put their wallet before their fans

[Vhailor]

I really hope so, I've been on full support from this game since 2010
But I don't support games/companies that put their wallet before their fans

Sadly, I feel fairly pessimistic on this one. If they were inclined to listen to fan feedback, they almost surely would have mentioned the idea more than a week before its scheduled release, to test the waters.

I don't think it's by accident that they planned an extremely quick turnaround from announcement to release. They're likely hoping that many people get used to it before their current subscription period even runs out, thereby minimizing the damage it will do to subscription numbers.

Obviously this is pure speculation on my part, but it seems reasonable to me.

Edit / Addition:

Back in the Alpha stages the forums were very friendly and had lots of healthy discussion and feedback, the early stages of beta was similar. As more and more people joined the testing the forums then degraded very quickly to the point of where they are now with continuous "the world is ending, I'm leaving this game because it's terrible but I'm going to stay on this forum and complain about it every day" threads, so from that point I can only assume that square then decided it's not worth listening to them guys.

In fairness, in the alpha and beta stages, it seemed as if SE was focused on polishing the title as much as possible. It was an easy cause to get behind.

Then of course, the game released. The following year saw relatively bland (and predictable) dungeon additions. It saw the implementation of horrifically short-sighted mechanics that clearly didn't receive enough polish (ATMA, Hunts, FATE quests for the tribal series, the entire Glamour system, the entire housing system, and probably a few others). It saw a near-total indifference to RMT activity, beyond a belated fix to at least minimize how much spam we receive from them. It is now seeing a sneakily rapid implementation of a cash shop.

How, exactly, should the community have reacted? It's hard to remain constructive when SE approaches most aspects of the game with either indifference, incompetence, or greed.

[Firepower]

Lol idk, for show. All I know is that I can't remember a single time when they changed something based on the communities reaction or just simply didn't go through with something because of our feedback. Maybe there was a time when the game was still early and I do remember them listening all through 1.0 but not anymore.

Remember the players polls? When they asked us what they wanted.
Now it's just, "it's coming, try it out, please look forward to it" and if we don't like it by then it's too late anyway

Back in the Alpha stages the forums were very friendly and had lots of healthy discussion and feedback, the early stages of beta was similar. As more and more people joined the testing the forums then degraded very quickly to the point of where they are now with continuous "the world is ending, I'm leaving this game because it's terrible but I'm going to stay on this forum and complain about it every day" threads, so from that point I can only assume that square then decided it's not worth listening to them guys.