Cash shop confirmed

[Mirili]

Hardly.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...optional-items

Dev Post correcting prices of cash shop items: 18 likes
My post asking for the removal of cash shop: 171 likes

I know it's not much to go on but that alone tells all you need to know. Same happens throughout that thread.

You're right, it's not. That was "Here are the correct prices.", and "I HATE CASH SHOP."

It was not "Who's in favor of a cash shop?" vs. "PLEASE LISTEN TO ME I REALLY HATE CASH SHOP."

Hardly a good way to measure the community's opinion.

[Fyrebrand]

"I ain't got time for that!"

I have a limited amount of time to play.

in other news, 1125 posts? really people? #nolife

Last I checked, everyone has 24 hours in their day. How you choose to spend it is your business. When you say "I have a limited amount of time to play," what you really mean is that you are not willing to allot more than a certain amount of time to a game. If you choose to work longer hours and accumulate more money, good for you. If you want to spend more time with family/friends, great. I applaud it. That is your choice, and I doubt you will regret it.

And heck, maybe the game is too grindy. It's a well-known flaw of the MMO genre. After all, they don't charge a subscription fee so you can blast through the content in a couple of months and then quit. However, installing a cash shop into the game does nothing to address this concern.

When it comes down to it, you knowingly got yourself invested in a very time-consuming game. Instead of expecting all other players to have the same comfortable living wage as you, or expecting the game to radically shift its revenue model and reduce the value of the base subscription, have you considered that perhaps it is you who needs to adjust? Do you, someone who admitted does not have time to invest in getting prestigious cosmetic items for their own sake, need to be the talk of the town in a virtual world? Do you think the hallmark of fair, quality game design is expressed where success and prominence can be bought for cash?

I get it, time is valuable. But all our time is valuable, not just the time of the wealthy, or those gullible enough not to value of their own money, or those who don't care what sort of message their patronage of a cash shop sends to game developers.

Time is important. Money is important. But however you balance those resources, success in any game should be won through playing that game, and not through simply throwing money at bad design.

Money does not fall from trees. The vanity you get in-game or in the store was worked for either way.

I agree. And it was worked for, because it is important to people. People value that stuff. Too many of those who support the cash shop are telling us that we shouldn't complain, because "it's vanity only" and not pay-to-win. Except, vanity/cosmetic items are a form of "winning." It has tons of value, possibly as much as having better stats. If it weren't valuable or important, there would be no vanity items in any cash shops, in any games. I am just fed up with the hypocrisy of those who tell me "it's just cosmetic-only, it doesn't matter," while sporting fancy gear, mounts, etc.

[tocsin]

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I completely agree. And I also agree that items should be available both ways. I created the "Reverse cash shop" thread for that reason (shameless plug). if people can trade to win via gil, and essentially pay for cash shop items with gil, including subscriptions, then everyone wins. it is available in all ways.

I'm personally pro cash shop, even though im likely to never buy anything out of it ever. I don't care about vanity, and my character looks like a clown, and im okay with that. but if someone like me, who cannot afford to live and play the game to the level required to get such items, wants vanity, they should be able to get it.

Just to make my stance clear on this, I am against cahs shop exclusivity, but pro cash shop availability. I am also against "pay to win", but I am pro "tradeoff to win".

Here I am, using my post limits as soon as the cooldown expires. I feel like the BLM of forums!

[Dwill]

You mean what a huge majority (not all) of the posters that are okay with or pro cash shop are doing with the well reasoned responses those of us against it are giving in this thread?

I can't speak for everyone but if you notice me do it, feel free to point it out.

[Krr]

Last I checked, everyone has 24 hours in their day. How you choose to spend it is your business. When you say "I have a limited amount of time to play," what you really mean is that you are not willing to allot more than a certain amount of time to a game. If you choose to work longer hours and accumulate more money, good for you.

I don't think you understand how having a job works. The people who are able to choose how many hours they work are a minority. Also, you can't play an online video game while homeless.

[Mysteran]

One other opinion before I head off to bed I guess.

As I've stated, I'm against cash shops in general. More so in games that are already using a subscription model. I've said that before. I'm not necessarily against games that were built with that in mind and were up front about it before I started investing any of my time and money into playing. I know what I'm going into before I spend any personal assets on it.

Beyond all that though, I don't like how it was announced or the timing on it. Before I say more, I want to stress. I'm not trying to say this was planned or a conspiracy or anything of the sort. I'm just stating things I dislike.

It was announced at a Fan Festival. Whether people like or dislike the cash shop, a lot of them had already put down a lot of money (and time) for tickets, travel, accommodations, etc. They announced the Expansion and gave a good bit of info with hints of other info to come. They waited till the live letter later on in the second day to announce the Cash Shop though. Tickets for EU Fan Festival were already sold out as well. So they got a lot of money out of people that may have made a different decision about attending Fan Festival had they known about it before putting their money down on it.

Then kinda ending the Cash Shop announcement with "Oh by the way, it's happening in just over a week. Along with a patch with content people have been looking forward to for a long while". We won't be able to get any meaningful data out of a subscription jump or decline really with the multiple factors. (not that we had that info to begin with) And there's really no time for player input. It's already a done deal.

[IveraIvalice]

I remember when the devs used to take the communities opinions into consideration. Not just drop a bomb and say "too late bitches"

[Amaret]

I remember when the devs used to take the communities opinions into consideration. Not just drop a bomb and say "too late bitches"

They do, the community aren't 50 ppl holding pitchforks about something in the forum.

[GalkaBikini]

I'm not necessarily against games that were built with that in mind and were up front about it before I started investing any of my time and money into playing. I know what I'm going into before I spend any personal assets on it.

Yoshi P mentioned the cash shop much earlier this year... And I specifically remember a time earlier this year when he said "We have never said we won't have a cash shop or that we won't have a free to play option." I'm really not understanding where the surprise is coming from. I'm also not understanding why people think having a monthly fee automatically means no cash shop. Cash shops are main stream now, it is one of those things that comes with MMOs (and modern gaming in general these days, even with single player games) that you just have to get used to.

[Mishari]

Cash shops are main stream now, it is one of those things that comes with MMOs (and modern gaming in general these days, even with single player games) that you just have to get used to.

"...that you have to get used to it"
Great mindset...
You are a well disciplined costumer.