Cash shop confirmed

[Aegis]

This shop agree with it or not, I'm not making a decision yet, but if Yoshida was serious about what he said for no pay to win. It doesn't matter.

You reckon he was serious about free company summons, personal housing costs, Goobbue mount exclusivity? As much as I like the man he has gone back on his word several times. The thing I've learnt is, that if the potential profits are enough, he will do whatever is required. If this means insta-50s because, let's face it the game begins at 50 (threw up in my mouth a little bit) then we will get insta-50s.

It'll never happen where you see items that give any kind of advantage what so ever. That means, No atma, No i90, No i110, No free levels, No Experience boosters, No Instant 50's ,No relic weapons, No Nexus Light boosters, No Materia, No Alexandrite, No Tomestones, No Allied seals, No GC seals, None of that.

If I were a mean person, I would save this quote.

[NozomiKei]

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In the end, every time they added something new in terms of vanity it was really hard to obtain in game and it wasn't available to anyone, it was just there for the people that already had huge amounts of gil or to the ones that grinded 24/7 to be able to get the materials they needed for just a VANITY item, I would understand if you would have to work hard for a new piece of gear with awesome stats or the next step in your relic weapon, but for vanity items? nah...

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Me grinding for stuff to get a rare vanity item is like a raider grinding coil to get a weapon or piece of armor. They are taking away game content and cash-gating it for people who are not solely raiders. I play this game for non exclusively progression based reasons. Like 85% of this game's content is vanity. Almost all gear is vanity. Housing anything is pretty much vanity. Chocobo color changes, a lot of gardening.... So much of this game is stuff that it isn't essential for you to have progress.

[Tupsi]

They are taking away game content

No they're not unless you can prove right this very second that Yoshida stated he will no longer add items and content to the game and only add items to the cash shop.

Go on, I'll wait.


*Hums*

like a raider grinding coil to get a weapon or piece of armor

Non - I grind coil for progression, you grind vanity for looks. How is that anywhere near the same level? You basically stated that vanity is game progression. o.O

Almost all gear is vanity

You're right..I go after High Allagan for vanity purposes...if you're playing the semantics card, everything can be used for the look you like, but let's be real, it's about the content behind it and most content that's purely for vanity are done MOSTLY for tomes, e.g HM dungeons.

[saeedaisspecial]

No they're not unless you can prove right this very second that Yoshida stated he will no longer add items and content to the game and only add items to the cash shop.

Go on, I'll wait.

Just because they aren't outright stopping making vanity gear obtainable in game does not mean we aren't losing content to the cash shop.
I'm getting sick of repeating myself, but look at the Sleipnir mount, with the development of the Urth's Fount trial (which has been confirmed to be released to players at some point before the expansion) the development team will have sat down and discussed the whether or not to add the mount to the loot pool, similar to extreme mounts, or to sell it in the cash shop. Obviously, we now know they've chosen to sell it exclusively n the cash shop.
This is lost content, because it would have had an avenue for players to obtain it in game, but now it is essentially removed from the game unless you pay extra for it. The solution isn't to "just not buy it" either, because that doesn't fix the problem. That ALL players have permanently lost the opportunity to obtain this item in game.

I don't get why you people are so adamant in defending this when there are clear examples of potential content being denied an avenue for being obtained in game so the developers can generate additional revenue.

[Vili]

As long as it never becomes P2W....

[Aegis]

No they're not unless you can prove right this very second that Yoshida stated he will no longer add items and content to the game and only add items to the cash shop.

Go on, I'll wait.

Up until 2.4 all content except for Fantasia was available in game or as a bonus for a r/l product.

That's something like a ratio of 99,999:1

Wanna see which way that ratio goes after Cash Shop is introduced. Our subs are buying us less of the game. By your logic, they could have charged for each and every item released since V2 and that would have been fine, because our subs were still getting us the same stuff as they always had, right?

It'll never happen where you see items that give any kind of advantage what so ever.

While I'm thinking, this is wrong.

At level 1, fresh into the game. Who has higher stats, the person with just the weathered gear, or the person with weathered gear + a ring with defence+1 on it?

Yes, the advantage is negligable. Yes, it will be gone after the person levels up and gets enough gil to fill that ear slot, but until then, the player who bought items has an advantage.

[StrejdaTom]

Non - I grind coil for progression, you grind vanity for looks. How is that anywhere near the same level? You basically stated that vanity is game progression. o.O

For me and you coil grind is progression, for casuals it's vanity. For many people can be getting blue bird higher progress than getting BiS. Progressing is getting towards your goal, everyone has a different goal and cash shop might affect that for some people.

[Tupsi]

Just because they aren't outright stopping making vanity gear obtainable in game does not mean we aren't losing content to the cash shop..

So what you're saying is:

1. They'll stop creating Dungeons and throw them into the cash shop.
2. They'll stop making end-game raids and throw them into the cash shop.
3. They'll stop making storyline and quest battles and throw them into the cash shop.

Since..losing content means losing...content, not items. People in this very topic already said in-game items don't count as content because they argued that selling Fantasias are ok because "everyone got one for free and you could obtain it in-game." Why now are people suddenly forgetting the hundreds of others obtainable vanity items in game?

I don't get why you people are so adamant in defending

No one is "defending" it, those of you against it want everyone against it when it doesn't bother those who won't use the cash shop - Many of us have actually played more than FFXIV before, many of us know that it's MOSTLY Free To Play MMOs that has the Pay to Win element, because that is how they make their money. Selling vanity items doesn't take away from the game, none of you complained about having to buy a soundtrack for wind up bahamut/dalamud..that took away from the game using the same logic and guess what? The game is still running, just fine and you've been playing since then...just fine.

ALL players have permanently lost the opportunity to obtain this item in game.

-Wind up Dalamud
-Coeurl Mount (have to buy CE or digital upgrade)
-Onion Helm
-Hermes Sandals (could ONLY get this buy dual subbing FFXI and FFXIV back in 2010.)
-Asuran Gauntlets
-Moogle Earrings
-White Ravens
-Garlond Goggles
-Baby Behemoth
-Veteran Reward Items (NONE OF THESE can be obtained in game normally.)
-Any item that comes from buying things like a Plushie or Soundtrack for example.
-Wind Up Cait Sith.
-Moogle Cap...(Basically any item that requires a sizable purchase, you can't obtain these in game.)

This isn't something new, for over a year now there's been items none of us had the opportunity to obtain in-game and had to, in fact, either pay $70+ in sub fees or buy a physical item for a code.

[Wildsprite]

just gonna state my 2 cents on this. I think this is really no different than buying things like the moogle plushie or the art book off the SE store. the reason why is because while some of you argue differently the only ones effected by the stuff in the cash shop are the ones who buy from it. they don't get any game progression. no gear with stats, only superficial things.

thus far they announced some past seasonal event items, minions and a mount. and the only thing besides those would be the
Phials of Fantasia<---some of you arguing against the cash shop think this is ok but the other things are not.
sorry but you can't argue against something like that. it has to be all or nothing.

I for one think so long as they don't go too far with it the cash shop would be a welcome thing.
what I'm against them adding is any gear with stats that that would prove beneficial at any time meaning I wouldn't want them to add the Lightning or Snow gear.
but I would be fine with them adding versions of that gear with no stats.

[Asierid]

Stuff

There isn't any difference. None. People hear the word "cash shop" and freak out throwing around the doom and gloom phrases over and over again without any sort of thought.

It's nothing new. Other sub games that use a cash shop are still running fine and actually pulling more numbers than before, despite people in this thread clearly ignoring that fact.