Cash shop confirmed

[NozomiKei]

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In the end, every time they added something new in terms of vanity it was really hard to obtain in game and it wasn't available to anyone, it was just there for the people that already had huge amounts of gil or to the ones that grinded 24/7 to be able to get the materials they needed for just a VANITY item, I would understand if you would have to work hard for a new piece of gear with awesome stats or the next step in your relic weapon, but for vanity items? nah...

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Me grinding for stuff to get a rare vanity item is like a raider grinding coil to get a weapon or piece of armor. They are taking away game content and cash-gating it for people who are not solely raiders. I play this game for non exclusively progression based reasons. Like 85% of this game's content is vanity. Almost all gear is vanity. Housing anything is pretty much vanity. Chocobo color changes, a lot of gardening.... So much of this game is stuff that it isn't essential for you to have progress.

[Tupsi]

They are taking away game content

No they're not unless you can prove right this very second that Yoshida stated he will no longer add items and content to the game and only add items to the cash shop.

Go on, I'll wait.


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like a raider grinding coil to get a weapon or piece of armor

Non - I grind coil for progression, you grind vanity for looks. How is that anywhere near the same level? You basically stated that vanity is game progression. o.O

Almost all gear is vanity

You're right..I go after High Allagan for vanity purposes...if you're playing the semantics card, everything can be used for the look you like, but let's be real, it's about the content behind it and most content that's purely for vanity are done MOSTLY for tomes, e.g HM dungeons.

[saeedaisspecial]

No they're not unless you can prove right this very second that Yoshida stated he will no longer add items and content to the game and only add items to the cash shop.

Go on, I'll wait.

Just because they aren't outright stopping making vanity gear obtainable in game does not mean we aren't losing content to the cash shop.
I'm getting sick of repeating myself, but look at the Sleipnir mount, with the development of the Urth's Fount trial (which has been confirmed to be released to players at some point before the expansion) the development team will have sat down and discussed the whether or not to add the mount to the loot pool, similar to extreme mounts, or to sell it in the cash shop. Obviously, we now know they've chosen to sell it exclusively n the cash shop.
This is lost content, because it would have had an avenue for players to obtain it in game, but now it is essentially removed from the game unless you pay extra for it. The solution isn't to "just not buy it" either, because that doesn't fix the problem. That ALL players have permanently lost the opportunity to obtain this item in game.

I don't get why you people are so adamant in defending this when there are clear examples of potential content being denied an avenue for being obtained in game so the developers can generate additional revenue.

[Tupsi]

Just because they aren't outright stopping making vanity gear obtainable in game does not mean we aren't losing content to the cash shop..

So what you're saying is:

1. They'll stop creating Dungeons and throw them into the cash shop.
2. They'll stop making end-game raids and throw them into the cash shop.
3. They'll stop making storyline and quest battles and throw them into the cash shop.

Since..losing content means losing...content, not items. People in this very topic already said in-game items don't count as content because they argued that selling Fantasias are ok because "everyone got one for free and you could obtain it in-game." Why now are people suddenly forgetting the hundreds of others obtainable vanity items in game?

I don't get why you people are so adamant in defending

No one is "defending" it, those of you against it want everyone against it when it doesn't bother those who won't use the cash shop - Many of us have actually played more than FFXIV before, many of us know that it's MOSTLY Free To Play MMOs that has the Pay to Win element, because that is how they make their money. Selling vanity items doesn't take away from the game, none of you complained about having to buy a soundtrack for wind up bahamut/dalamud..that took away from the game using the same logic and guess what? The game is still running, just fine and you've been playing since then...just fine.

ALL players have permanently lost the opportunity to obtain this item in game.

-Wind up Dalamud
-Coeurl Mount (have to buy CE or digital upgrade)
-Onion Helm
-Hermes Sandals (could ONLY get this buy dual subbing FFXI and FFXIV back in 2010.)
-Asuran Gauntlets
-Moogle Earrings
-White Ravens
-Garlond Goggles
-Baby Behemoth
-Veteran Reward Items (NONE OF THESE can be obtained in game normally.)
-Any item that comes from buying things like a Plushie or Soundtrack for example.
-Wind Up Cait Sith.
-Moogle Cap...(Basically any item that requires a sizable purchase, you can't obtain these in game.)

This isn't something new, for over a year now there's been items none of us had the opportunity to obtain in-game and had to, in fact, either pay $70+ in sub fees or buy a physical item for a code.

[Aegis]

Since..losing content means losing...content, not items.

Wait, so items aren't content? What? What the hell is content then? Do you go in to dungeons naked? Even then you have to have a weapon, which is an item.

Items are content. Content is being introduced that isn't available in game and isn't free (Dalamud, Hermes sandals, collectors' edition and veteran rewards were all free because they came with other things, you never paid for the item itself - yes it's a fine line, but it's there).

Fantasia and retainers are the only examples of in game things that were not obtainable in game that weren't freebies that came with another purchase. And yes, I was against these.

none of you complained about having to buy a soundtrack for wind up bahamut/dalamud

The minions were free with purchase of the soundtrack. You never purchased the minions. When it shows up on your receipt the item details are Version 1 OST, not Wind-up Bahamut.

[Asierid]

The minions were free with purchase of the soundtrack. You never purchased the minions. When it shows up on your receipt the item details are Version 1 OST, not Wind-up Bahamut.

Except that people purchase these things in order to get exclusive items that aren't available ingame. There is no difference between buying a physical item that has a pet on it, or just buying the pet. Either way, you're paying for the pixels. Most of the people who purchased the soundtrack did so just for the pet. You can get the music for free if you know where to look.

Don't be naive, it's the same thing.

[Aegis]

Most of the people who purchased the soundtrack did so just for the pet.

The in-game items were free with the purchase of the real-world item. That is indisputable. Your assertion needs a source.

[Aegis]

Every response I see from you seems to entail you constructing strawmen ....

.... or an absurd misrepresentation of reality. Knock it off already. You have made not one good argument. Everything you say is so flawed, a child could see the problems in it.

Truth.

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[SinisterIsBack]

As for buying the CD to get the wind-up dalamud. See, now I know you're just being dishonest. Those people bought and paid for *a CD*. You know? A physical disc with music on it, that ships in a nice case, with sleeve cover, pictures and other various stuff? They *bought* a CD. A physical item. They received the minion as a free bonus. If it didn't come with the bonus minion, it would still have cost money, and people would still have bought it.

Don't be so naïve as to kid yourself into

an absurd misrepresentation of reality.

that everyone who bought the CD did so for the CD. I guarantee you that more than 50% of those purchases were for the in game item. Time to open up those eyes precious.

Lets take a look at what is CURRENTLY in the cash shop.


Ahh so -- Old event items? If you did these old events, they are available for purchase from the calamity salvager.

3 minions - You don't even know if you can obtain these in game yet also.

1 mount - Again, you don't even know if you can obtain these in game

So what is all the crying really about? Where you THINK this will lead? Fact is, you don't know...

I'm just starting to really REALLY wish that the cash shop really evolves to a dungeon unlocking and gear shop, too. Maybe that way, if their playstyle is affected, some people will take away their blindfolds and understand what we're talking about here.

And I cant wait for the moment when all you doomsday bringers realize that it isn't what you ASSumed it was going to be....