Cash shop confirmed

[KarmaCha]

I'm pretty surprised at the outcry over the cash shop. Of course, though, as the nature of this sub, you guys have to find something to cry about. Atma nerf finally comes? Hold on to your pitch forks, guys, people will be able to buy.... MOUNTS. OMG.

I could not care less about the cash shop, and if they add certain things to it I really like, I'll buy them.

It in no way effects your gaming experience. Get over yourselves.

[RaspberryRipple]

Or did you omit to read the part where their net assets had increased by 5%, with their total liabilities increasing more than their total assets. This game didn't make them have an unlimited cash flow like people seem to believe and considering they had a massive drop in their investing activities, they need the money to invest in other products.

That is for their whole business. Their digital entertainment division is doing very well. They can't fund the entire company with FFXIV but you can't ruin the business of a single division in some attempt to make the whole company more profitable

[Rieze_Xeero]

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Next Exclusive merchandise items T_T

[Dwill]

That is for their whole business. Their digital entertainment division is doing very well. They can't fund the entire company with FFXIV but you can't ruin the business of a single division in some attempt to make the whole company more profitable

Actually, Digital Entertainment division is the doing the best but all of their other 3 divisions have been showing steady progress as well. Additional funding from the DE division could quite make a huge difference in cost of investment to RoI ratio.

[Tupsi]

This obviously was planned though. Setting up a cash shop isn't like turning around a day before the FanFest and deciding then. Careful decisions have to go into how it is implemented, what goes in, pricing etc. So this would have been planned for some time.
The reason there is so much disagreement with it is because of where this can lead to.

So, the Mog Station has been around for a bit and sold Game Codes, Fantasias (This is still an in-game item, don't try to deny this and Extra Retainers (ACTUALLY GIVES YOU AN ADVANTAGE OVER THE PEOPLE THAT USES the IN-GAME 2 ONLY IN CERTAIN AREAS), and has been around for months - did the Mog Station suddenly start selling EXP booster packs? Gil packs? Exclusive dungeons passes?Exclusive materia packs?

????

People are under the assumption that it will go the F2P Pay to Win route, which means they're subtly admitting this game isn't doing as well as they claim.

[Aylis]

Point in case. Slepnir mount.

Right now:

Cash shop item exclusive, price to determine. Not in game content tho we are paying for it, behind a paywall.


How should be:

Slepnir Mount is added as a reward to X content.
3 months later, it becomes a cash shop alternative.

So content is designed and build for the game, not the cash shop.

So as in my original post you'd be totally okay with an item with maybe an 0.000000000000001% drop rate simply because it was offered in game but was later going to be put on the cash shop? With no negative feelings what-so-ever against Square-Enix for baiting and forcing people to use the cash shop? I really think SE learned this lesson with Final Fantasy: All The bravest and Final Fantasy XIII-2 DLC "Requiem of the Goddess" that this method is bad practice for a cash shop. Let items made for the cash shop stay on the cash shop. None are needed to play the game. Let the items needed to play the game and complete the game and story stay open to all players and free of the cash shop.

Until a time comes where we /need/ a slepnir mount to play the game. Its nothing more then vanity and if SE wants to sell vanity and players want to spend the money for one then any company be it SE, SOE, Blizzard, Carbine, Arena.Net, etc has every right to stay with this and be free to sell items and vanity.

[Tupsi]

If they put the new race behind a paywal

You mean when you buy the expansion pack?

[Cynric]

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Vanity gear means Vanity gear not the current baseline of gear. There was also a comment you made about Atma being in the shop? Nah man, that's also pay to win. I wanted to reply to you so bad but I ran out of daily posts.

This shop agree with it or not, I'm not making a decision yet, but if Yoshida was serious about what he said for no pay to win. It doesn't matter.

It'll never happen where you see items that give any kind of advantage what so ever. That means, No atma, No i90, No i110, No free levels, No Experience boosters, No Instant 50's ,No relic weapons, No Nexus Light boosters, No Materia, No Alexandrite, No Tomestones, No Allied seals, No GC seals, None of that.

I'm not trying to be mean but, You need to understand where the line is drawn between acceptable and pay to win. Mounts, Minions, old event stuff, that does nothing to anyone, cept maybe collectors. That stuff up there though, even just a tiny tiny advantage is still considered pay to win. You said you deserve to have done 12 hours of farming because you worked for 12 hours? By that logic someone who works double shifts every day and can't even be bothered to play instead of sleep should be able to buy High end raid equipment.

It just doesn't work like that.

As for my thoughts on the Cash shop itself. Eh, A little salty about the Sleipnir, but with no confirmation of whether or not any of this stuff is cash shop exclusive, I will reserve my judgment period.

What harm could there be if these little minions for a couple of bucks come from some maps you'd have to grind as well as the cash shop? Or if Sleipnir comes from Odin Primal.

Farm or buy. That's hardly a reason to complain about something or cancel a sub for.

We just don't know enough yet and I'm not the type to judge before I know what's going on.

[tocsin]

Vanity gear means Vanity gear not the current baseline of gear. There was also a comment you made about Atma being in the shop? Nah man, that's also pay to win. I wanted to reply to you so bad but I ran out of daily posts.

Yeah, it is, and I said it in jest. I come from the EVE online universe, where pay to win doesn't win you anything, if ever if you pay to win you lose even harder.

[Cynric]

Yeah, it is, and I said it in jest. I come from the EVE online universe, where pay to win doesn't win you anything, if ever if you pay to win you lose even harder.

Sorry man I can't tell with you. Just making sure you understand the difference. Because really the difference between them having stuff like a ghost costume from last year and key items for an important questline(basically your ultimate weapon) or baseline gear for current content are pretty big.