Instant Win Button [Can we have it?]

[Kyri]

It's only T5 though. The rest of the turns are so trivialized that it's probably not much harder than the current ex dungeons. T5 is also trivialized by the fact that people are helping people get past t5. Regardless of the role of these helpers take on in t5, they're still adding into difficulty decrease on top of echo and item over level. Then they're free to go into the currently relevant second coil that are supposed to be harder than the previous one without echo. The expectations of the people you just helped and the people already in the PF for 2nd coil will be widely different. That's just fostering a PF board where the recruit rules are harsher and harsher.

How can the PF board rules get much harsher than they already are? I mean, everywhere you look it's, "T(X) weekly clear. NOT A LEARNING PARTY!!! You must have multiple clears. 3 strike rule." Heck, I joined one before I beat T6 that pretty much said "Die to Blighted and I kick/blacklist you." And then you have... the others. "WTS T6/7/8/9! 100% Guaranteed! Hundreds of happy customers! PST for pricing and scheduling info!"

And it's funny you say, "It's only T5 though.", because when the Binding Coil was first "nerfed", people had their panties all in a knot over that too. And now it's "just T5". And when the elite players are beating T13, it will be "just T9". Old news.

Either way, people can already beat T9 without putting effort into learning it if they have enough money to throw at people. So.. maybe that's why people are upset? SE is undercutting their market by making T9 more accessible to slightly less skilled players? Well.. I'd say that if people weren't still buying T5..

[Gardes]

And it's funny you say, "It's only T5 though.", because when the Binding Coil was first "nerfed", people had their panties all in a knot over that too. And now it's "just T5". And when the elite players are beating T13, it will be "just T9". Old news.

"It's only T5 though" is referring to you saying that you still have to deal with all the mechanics in nerfed coil1. I was FC less right after 2nd coil release and I did LOTS of coil1 pfs and dfs to collect allagan pieces and caduceus slime feeding mechanic started getting ignored before it even splits very early in the echo increments. T1 ADS was getting ignored too, plenty of bards/monks who simply didnt silence the high voltage or didnt have any silencer and the party just brute forced it. T2 went to the default enrage method and rot pass pf was really really rare even before 2.2.

T4 also became much easier: last night I was talking to someone who just tried T4 (lvl 50 only after 2.3 iirc) and won it in one shot, saying he didnt actually know what was happening. I described to him what T4 was like before 2.2 and compared it to what he saw and he didn't realize what the dreadnoughts, bugs, knights and rooks can actually do to the party and he was the healer. All because the df he was in just brute forced the fight and finished it way too fast. Sure, this is maybe how some people who 'couldn't' coil1 when it was relevant wanted out of their content but in this particular case, the person I talked to wished he could have experienced the fight the way I did.